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Cult News Update

doggiestar - 6-23-2003 at 11:46 AM

yep...sad smilie

the news ain't good!!

direct from the horses mouth via a Doors show meet & greet and a lil friend who don't post so much anymore...

...

our Lord Ian was asked yesterday (monday) about the Cult and a return..

the answer was NO...

seriously now friends...this isn't a joke...

(thats 3 sad smilies)

sonicspirit - 6-23-2003 at 12:03 PM

bleh..I am going to get drunk..

doggiestar - 6-23-2003 at 12:06 PM

i'm listening to U2...

:flame:ON!!!

sonicspirit - 6-23-2003 at 12:13 PM

[Edited on 6-23-2003 by sonicspirit]

Ianswildflower - 6-23-2003 at 12:23 PM

Well Fuck :flame::flame::flame::flame:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!

Homer - 6-23-2003 at 12:54 PM

Sooner or later The Cult will be back, Ian and Billy have never had very much luck without each other (see Ian's solo records and Billy's Coloursound project for proof)

Inka - 6-23-2003 at 01:31 PM

Well, sad but it isn't first 'goodbye', let's believe that not the last one.

Monkeys On My TV....

doggiestar - 6-23-2003 at 01:40 PM

get up get out get loose...

i am not one for speculation...but if a guy with as much respect for his fans as Ian has says NO...then i'd recomend that ya all just get used to it...

i can't quote the exact word's that Ian replyed with as i wasn't there...but the general idea was a big no way...won't happen...not in my life time...

if i can get some more first had knowledge direct from my and your friend then i'll post it here...

Storm16 - 6-23-2003 at 01:40 PM

I appreciate the source but Ian's probably wanting folks to focus on what he's doing now instead of what could be in the future. If I were Robby or Ray and heard Ian talking about future Cult projects, I'd question his committment to what he's doing with the new Doors. Just a thought/theory, that's all.

cultivated - 6-23-2003 at 02:31 PM

NOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moya - 6-23-2003 at 03:17 PM

sounds to me Ian needs a good spanking.... :flame:

OH WELL!

SorumRocks - 6-23-2003 at 03:28 PM

I say we cherish the shows we saw!!! On June 29th it will be the 2nd aniversary of my first show and the beginning of a lot of friendships...so in a way...the shows and experiences live on! We all have photos and meeting up with people even if there is no show. I met up with Shawn when I went to Daytona and had a great time!!! I like to think I've made some really good friends and I know I will always have a good time when I meet them!

PS - Shawn if you read this i am thinking of coming down to Disney for winter break!

Natalie

SW2 - 6-23-2003 at 06:32 PM

I am sad too!!

Peace,
SW2

shesellssanctuary - 6-23-2003 at 07:35 PM

they'll be back trust me.....

kcneon - 6-23-2003 at 07:45 PM

hey, hold on. I'd be super bummed if Ian said he wasn't going to make any more music! That would be worth banging your head up against the wall, but music is such a part of him that I just don't see that happening.

We're just going to have to wait & see what the future holds. Say....whatever happened to Ian's website that was going to go online?

Faith!

SonicFire - 6-23-2003 at 08:07 PM

Faith! Faith! my fellow brothers and sisters!

Faith I say, time is mere sand in our hands as it runs easily between our fingers...

as the grains fall...they are imprinted by the power of our Love for the music, for the passion of our want of the Cult event...

before they hit the ground, time has passed, things have changed and the Cult Will Return...time is a mere flash, our blind drive and clear minds eye/hip drive WANT for IT, the event the music, the CULT will COME

picture it feel it
let it catch

FIRE :flame:

RedVelvet - 6-23-2003 at 08:09 PM

BASTARDS!

* The Witch * - 6-23-2003 at 08:15 PM

COME HOME IAN

We miss you

OKWhite Falcon - 6-23-2003 at 08:24 PM

I wouldn't worry too much.

Ian tends to throw himself into whatever he's currently into and focus on that exclusively.

When he and Billy were on Rockline last September to promote the DVD, he was asked about his involvement with The Doors and he was very distant about it to say the least.

I'm guessing he's treating The Cult in the same manor while he's fronting The Doors...

* The Witch * - 6-23-2003 at 08:32 PM

That's a good point. *hopes*

Lizard Johnny - 6-24-2003 at 01:17 AM

I agree with Red Velvet's comment!

BASTARDS!

why the fuck don't they reform The Cult??? and if it's really the end, why don't they make a last tour for us, the fans???? BASTARDS!!!!!

b.star - 6-24-2003 at 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Storm16
I appreciate the source but Ian's probably wanting folks to focus on what he's doing now instead of what could be in the future. If I were Robby or Ray and heard Ian talking about future Cult projects, I'd question his committment to what he's doing with the new Doors. Just a thought/theory, that's all.

that's an intelligent thought & a good theory. :idea:

b.star - 6-24-2003 at 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by moya
sounds to me Ian needs a good spanking.... :flame:

i want to be first i want to be first :flip:

LuvAstbury - 6-24-2003 at 08:57 AM

Actually...Ian said "screw the Cult" and said some rather nasty things about Duffy...He said we won't believe what he's doing next. However, I also heard that he told a fan the Cult would be back...I guess he better patch things up with Duffy...I really wasn't surprised, those two always seem to fight and make up...I think with the Cult, there are never definites....
~Julia/LuvAstbury

JayRob - 6-24-2003 at 10:53 AM

FIRST : The point of Ray and Robbie disliking Ian talking about reform The Cult is valid, they would give him some pression on his commitment with the Doors project right now. Ian is being well received after all and is enjoying the moment and he needs the money.

SECOND : Ian and Billy punch each other in the face then give each other kisses, it was always this way. It will never change. It doesn't mean they will not be back.

THIRD : Our friend Ian is well known to be controversial and impulsive, maybe he was having a bad moment (maybe Billy gave him some shit via phone about reforming the band and stopping with this Doors thing...who can really tell ...) and said that "fuck the Cult" thing on the flavor of the moment.

FOURTH : If (and that is IF) he really meant it, well, he should know better, if it wasn't The Cult there wouldn't be any IAN in the first place. It was the music and the lyrics he created with The Cult that got him a decent position in the rock and roll scene, to say "fuck the Cult" to a fan of this band is so low life that it doesn't even deserves to be commented...I assure you all, I LOVE this band and its music, I'm not in love with Ian Astbury, I respect him as the creative force that he is, BUT, if his attittude is confirmed, the world RESPECT will not be apllied to him anymore by me.

FIFTH : if THE CULT is over , the least that Ian and Billy can do would be an official statement SAYING that it is over, of course that this kind of attention never really was among their preocupations.

:flame: and :flame: and :flame:

JRoberto

WildHoneyChild - 6-24-2003 at 01:57 PM

Well here's my take on it for what it's worth....I got backstage at the Orlando show, and talked to Ian and asked him about the future of the Cult.

I asked him "Will we be seeing the Cult come back any time soon?", and he said "No" with a smirk on his face and I said "You're kidding, right" and he said "No, I'm not", so, then I said "Well, don't you miss it?" and he said "No, I'm caught up in the moment of all this right now" and I said "Well, the fans really miss it" and he goes on to say "When I miss it, I'll go back, too much drama anyways"...

So, who knows what to think....Time will only tell..

Daphne :puzzled:

WildHoneyChild - 6-24-2003 at 01:58 PM

By the way...I can't sign in under my old username, had to make up a new one...Anyone have an idea why?

JayRob - 6-24-2003 at 03:31 PM

Thanks for the input Daphne !

I sustain my five points post though.

JRoberto

Sistermoon - 6-24-2003 at 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JayRob
FOURTH : If (and that is IF) he really meant it, well, he should know better, if it wasn't The Cult there wouldn't be any IAN in the first place. It was the music and the lyrics he created with The Cult that got him a decent position in the rock and roll scene, to say "fuck the Cult" to a fan of this band is so low life that it doesn't even deserves to be commented...I assure you all, I LOVE this band and its music, I'm not in love with Ian Astbury, I respect him as the creative force that he is, BUT, if his attittude is confirmed, the world RESPECT will not be apllied to him anymore by me.
JRoberto

I agree with you, your fourth argument is exactly what I think and Ian should respect us Cult fans. :mad:

Storm16 - 6-24-2003 at 04:39 PM

That's a great post Daphne. Thanks for sharing that.

cultprincess - 6-24-2003 at 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SorumRocks
I met up with Shawn when I went to Daytona and had a great time!!! I like to think I've made some really good friends and I know I will always have a good time when I meet them!

PS - Shawn if you read this i am thinking of coming down to Disney for winter break!

Natalie

I had a good time meeting you too while you were here Nat. Too bad we couldn't have spent more time hanging out.
I may be moving to Virignia in October but if i'm still here while your on winter break let me know, we'll go do something, but if i should be in VA and you're ever down that way, let me know

cultprincess - 6-24-2003 at 07:09 PM

Well, whether The Cult get back together or not, remains to be foreseen. At least we still have the music and memories of shows past. It's amazing the amount of great people i've met who have the same interest in music

Cult fans are like no others i have ever met.
I hope they get back together again, maybe one day. I've never met the band and i can only speculate, but Billy and Ian
have been together for quite sometime and seem like brothers, there's always that love/hate relationship in any type of family. Maybe they need this break from one another to grow personally and professionally.
I've seen Ian with The Doors quite a number of times, IMO, it looks likes he's having a good time up there (along with the rest of the band) Ray and Robby could not have chosen anyone else other than Ian.

Sidewinder 42 - 6-24-2003 at 07:26 PM

I sorta kinda remember him saying the same thing in 96/97 after the first break-up.
Remember, it is still relatively recent, so maybe it is still a bit of a sore spot for him? It may have been a quick and easy way to stop people asking questions on the spot.

shesellssanctuary - 6-24-2003 at 09:39 PM

they'll be back.....
check ventura around november...

b.star - 6-25-2003 at 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shesellssanctuary
they'll be back.....
check ventura around november...

what do you know that noone else knows :puzzled:

JayRob - 6-25-2003 at 07:02 AM

The real pisser in all of this (like it's been in the Cult history) is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO OFFICIAL WORD about it all ??? Why ? Is it that complicated to give the fans a little,minimum attention and actualy say something through one of the many channels they can use to do it ??? Even if it is to say that The Cult is over and break us apart. It would be decent.

JRoberto

LuvAstbury - 6-25-2003 at 07:47 AM

I agree with you JayRob...I should have asked Ian about that. Of course, at the time I was really flustered. But it does seem like this happens every time with the Cult. I just hope Ian patches things up with Billy...He said some fighting words...But again, there have been contrasting stories about the future of the Cult. It seems to depend on how Ian is feeling. I guess by now we should be used to waiting....

~Julia/LuvAstbury

OKWhite Falcon - 6-25-2003 at 07:58 AM

Billy will be touring with Dead Men Walking soon so I'm sure someone will pin him down and get the scoop.

Like it or not, Ian is a bit of an emotional flake and tends to slag whatever he was doing before compared to what he's up to at the present time.

Billy is much more straightforward and I'm sure will provide some answers, good or bad.

Cult or no cult?

Stonehorn - 6-25-2003 at 11:09 AM

I agree with Jay Rob. I haven't been listening all that much to The Cult the last six months. One of the things I like about Marilyn Manson is that he communicates with his fans, lets them know where it's at and tours Europe. And now people wonder why he sells more records that The Cult…

I will always love The Cult, but Ian does owe us something, if it weren't for us fans he'd still be playing in universities with The Southern Death Cult.

doggiestar - 6-25-2003 at 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JayRob
The real pisser in all of this (like it's been in the Cult history) is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO OFFICIAL WORD about it all ??? Why ? Is it that complicated to give the fans a little,minimum attention and actualy say something through one of the many channels they can use to do it ??? Even if it is to say that The Cult is over and break us apart. It would be decent.

JRoberto

:o

I know where you're comming from JayRob and i fully understand the point you are making...no communication from either Billy or Ian can make it really dificult for the fans to be kept in the picture of what is going on (or not) with The Cult...

But lets just wait a minute...how the hell would they communicate with the fans anyway??...they have no Offical web site (and when they did...what happened?) to communicate to us through...they have no PR company working on behalf of their joint intrests...infact...with out fans asking questions...we all would be completely in the dark...

but just HOW MANY fans are there that actually read or post on this...or anyother message board that is Cult related?...can Ian and Billy actually believe that there is a large enough current fan base to make it worth their while making anouncements...hell we already know what they are doing in their respective lives and careers as solo artists...we find this stuff out all by our selves...why do we need them?...we do a pretty good job ourselves!!

lastly...and it's re Julio's point about MM and his information service...

MM has a huge fan base...he has a dedicated offical web site that publishes info on a regular basis...the web site will have a register of fans from all around the world...it is a far bigger concern than the Cult has ever been...or will be again...and he can afford it!

maybe...one day there will be an offical Cult site owned by either Ian or Billy...or Both...which will be regularly updated by either of them with info on current and future events that they are embarking upon...

we live in HOPE!!...

JayRob - 6-25-2003 at 12:11 PM

We can only especulate on the reasons thta made him trash the band and Duffy, but I gotta be honest with you ppl, I find it to be very very lame of him to do that.

IF they (I won't let the duffster outta this one) cared about us, they would step forward and say something about it and end the especulations, but then again...

One last thing, if Ian thinks that the work he is doing now is better or more important than the work he did with The Cult, he is just not seeing clearly...this Doors thing while whorth,respectful and decent, WILL NEVER CEASE TO BE A SIDE PROJECT, he will NEVER be considered a Door, he is a HIRED vocalist singing other vocalist's songs and that's it. And even if he gets to compose and writte for their upcoming album, it WILL NEVER be the same as doing his own thing with The Cult. I continue to wish him all the best at it and to think that he is the best man to do this job, but he's mad if he thinks it will mean more than his work with The Cult.

When he says something as "F..the Cult" I feel deceived...because the things he wrotte inspired me on numerous occasions and with this attitude he turns it all into a bunch of crap, and I feel stupid because I listened to it.

I hope reality bites him real soon, so he got to see things as they are again.

JRoberto

JayRob - 6-25-2003 at 12:28 PM

Hi Andy !

Bands with far less importance, attention and money are able to maintain websites for their fans and use it to communicate with them. What is lacking here is...INTEREST.

If they put up a decent site (it doesn't have to be THAT killer site) with a decent per-request on-line store, with a decent message board on it, a decent bio, a decent discography on it and a mailing list it would be enough. Maybe a place for their side projects too. They might even make some money out of it.

The fan base is not a monster one ? No. but I tell you, with all the lack of attention we get, we gotta be the MORE DIE HARD BUNCH OF FANS that a band could ask for, why not gather us in a site and ask us help to advertise them, to bring new people to the circle ??? What ? They won't try it because kids of these days won't listen ???!!! I tell you THEY WILL if the propper language is used, and without any need to change the band's fingerprints musically.

They need to believe in their music and do something about it. That's all. Among us are webdesigners, marketers, IT, sales ppl, that would be willing to help them create it, IF THEY JUST GOT THE TIME TO LEARN WHO THEIR FANS ARE !!!! :flame:

JRoberto

POINT TAKEN JayRob

doggiestar - 6-25-2003 at 12:39 PM

and i agree...u know i just have to make the point to everyone that we are the few and we are in the minority when it comes to fan representation...

lets face it...of all the bands in the world...we decided to choose this one...may we all go to heaven for this act of kindness... :lol:

i somehow doubt that either Ian or Billy has the knowledge or the intrest in a fan based web site...and they don't have enough of us bugging them to do it...

maybe we should pull our collective talents and help SW2 with her new cultweb site...and try and get Ian and Billy involved...before they just fade away and radiate...

andie

Windmill - 6-25-2003 at 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OKWhite Falcon
I wouldn't worry too much.

Ian tends to throw himself into whatever he's currently into and focus on that exclusively.

When he and Billy were on Rockline last September to promote the DVD, he was asked about his involvement with The Doors and he was very distant about it to say the least.

I'm guessing he's treating The Cult in the same manor while he's fronting The Doors...

That's my take on it too. I wouldn't worry. Ian was probably just relishing the moment. Plus, this Doors gig is probably fattening his wallet a bit, and if things continue to go well with the tour, Ian will sing the lead on most, if not all, of the tracks on the new Doors album. He is probably trying to secure that too, which will translate into more dollars. That money will finance the next round for the Cult, and ultimately, get them a new label. Duffy is just biding his time, ("as long as Ian Astbury wants to make music with me, I'll be here to make music with him . . . .") and the Cult will be back in full force.

In the meantime, go see a few Doors and DMW shows, and every time you see them, tell them that you miss the Cult . . .

JayRob - 6-25-2003 at 02:59 PM

Andie - Get them involved in the spiritwalkersite with Karin is a GREAT IDEA !!! I mean, this site ROCKS and we are already here ...

Windmill - Dose of optimism welcome !

I hope you're right and that the f...Cult was just a momentary beef...

JRoberto

edcult - 6-25-2003 at 04:00 PM

I want to start by saying i'm pretty jacked to be replying to the first multi-page "Cult-Side" thread in months!

Ok, pretty much, Ian & Billy have the personalities of shoe boxes. We all know that Billy is the one that craves the limelight, the recognition (case study:Sonic Temple). Ian is getting a quite a bit of what Billy craves at the moment. Voila, we have a spark! Billy is probably pissed having to sit around and "wait" for partner in crime. **Put a little bit of starter fluid on the spark** The "side project" called The Doors is turning out better than planned......hence the album being delayed 'til years end. **We now have a flame** Ian prolly won't be available for any kind of Cult commitment for at least another 8-12 months. With Ian being on tour, out of touch/communication with Mr. Duffy strains the relationship further. Banter being said through "mutual friends" adds more fuel to the fire. Ok, get the picture?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not blaming Billy if it looked that way. It's just he's the one sitting and Ian is the one in the public's eye. Mr. Anti-Rock Star is probably having a hell of a time with his idols/bandmates and its all good for him right now, where Mr. Rock-God is spinning his wheels guesting with Camp Freddy (which is dead right now) and Dead Men Walking (no pun intended).

So Ian will continue to spew shit from his mouth about The Cult whenever it is not on his agenda at the moment. Billy will never figure out what Ian wants and is getting the riot act written to him from father time. Over 45yr old ROCK GOD'S aren't really in demand (i.e. Eddie Van Halen) and ours knows this very well. The years tick away and it becomes too late......unless you want to sing with a band that has been around for 40 yrs?

We'll just have to wait and see if shesellssanctuary's (cult-cover band guy)prediction of the late fall show(s) actually happen.

shesellssanctuary - 6-25-2003 at 05:17 PM

I dont want to get bombarded with emails and personal problems....

however....i'll put it to you like this....
good things come to those who wait....

im not a messenger,,,,more an informer of sorts....

see you in november or december depending on scheduling....

cultivated - 6-25-2003 at 06:12 PM

SSS, I just hope you are right.

Pandora - 6-25-2003 at 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by edcult

Ok, pretty much, Ian & Billy have the personalities of shoe boxes. We all know that Billy is the one that craves the limelight, the recognition (case study:Sonic Temple). Ian is getting a quite a bit of what Billy craves at the moment. Voila, we have a spark! Billy is probably pissed having to sit around and "wait" for partner in crime. **Put a little bit of starter fluid on the spark** The "side project" called The Doors is turning out better than planned......hence the album being delayed 'til years end. **We now have a flame** Ian prolly won't be available for any kind of Cult commitment for at least another 8-12 months. With Ian being on tour, out of touch/communication with Mr. Duffy strains the relationship further. Banter being said through "mutual friends" adds more fuel to the fire. Ok, get the picture?

I'm sorry, but your post is very offensive. I do not recall seeing any recent posts or articles indicating that Billy has said a word in public against Ian, or the Cult. I know the last conversation I had with him he did not attack either, or act as if the group was no more.

I am not even going to respond to the rest of your comments. They are just not worth it. I don't know why people have to try to act like they know everything about the band. Reading a few interviews and meeting them after a show does not make any of us experts on the subject. No one but Ian and Billy know what they really think.

Maybe next year, Spring '04, Maybe.

SonicFire - 6-25-2003 at 07:25 PM

Simply because the Doors gig will last some time, that 'vehicle' has an engine (the lore of the DOORS) and wheels (Ian/Ray/Robbie/Jims Spirit) and if the material Ian/Ray/Robbie put out works...they must listen to the whispering wind (Jims essence)...maybe past Winter '05.

I'm an optimist about each. Ian/Doors is very cool and if they catch the right vibe, the new material CAN be good. But, the CULT is eternal. The flame still burns, no matter what wind blows.

Enjoy the Doors with Ian this Summer, ah, the summer of '03, we'll remember it well!

In time, my friends, in good time...

Fire :flame:

shesellssanctuary - 6-25-2003 at 08:15 PM

trust

HOLY FUKEN HELL!!!!!1

sexualpanther3 - 6-25-2003 at 10:10 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

:mad:

GRR - MAD KITTY!!! :flame:

JayRob, dude u always have sumthin enlightening to say. andie, u too. havin read the start of this thread and then all the posts on here really kicked me in the ass and turned on a light or two. yeah, if Ian thinks hes gonna be rid of the Cult by saying that, then fuck him too. cuz if hes gonna be like that, then i wont be around to hear/tolerate it cuz that aint cool. i know hes fickle and all, but still! Billy just rocks to no end, so i got nuthin to say about him (hes not the one that made the comment). and u know what? i feel kinda dumb too for listenin to the music too if its all a bunch of crap. it was always sumthin i could run to for help/solice/escape/whatever, and now that just ruined it for me. im just filled with this sinkin feeling (and no im not hungry either) and i dont like it one bit. i just find this unsettling for some reason, i dont know why. this is just, oh, how can i say.......................BULLSHIT!!!!!!! god this makes me so hot :flame: i know they might kiss and make up and what not, but still there was no need to say that (whatever the real remark was). if it wasnt for us and Duffmeister, hed prolly be just another fallen star. and yeah he does owe us - BIG TIME!

and b.star - i go second!!

Tamlyn - 6-25-2003 at 11:27 PM

We've all said things while we were mad, that we didn't mean. We shouldn't get worked up over it, and start saying things we don't mean, or will regret later. Ian and Billy have given us a lot, we should be greatful for what we've gotten

sonicspirit - 6-25-2003 at 11:28 PM

well..I don't doubt you SSS..LOL..I know this because I just bought my tix to the Alarms show in Boston in November..so of course, The Cult will announce a show on the other end of the country,just to be absolutely positive I stay one step above poverty because of this monkey on my back8)

Sidewinder 42 - 6-26-2003 at 03:26 AM

What NO-ONE seems to have touched on is that The Cult IS Ian, it IS Billy. People go on about "this album is more Ian" or "This album is more Duffy" but it comes down to the fact that every song, no matter what era/album, has two distinct streaks through it, two psyches if you will. The Cult was great not from individual talent, but from the melding of two quite different ideals, which, for some unknown reason, seemed to work.
They will have their differences, but what remains, past or present, is some absolutely mind-blowing work which should in all rights go down in history.
If Ian decides that the Doors are his future, then so be it and more power to him for making a decision. Billy, being the unbelivably talented musician/guitarist (not I listed musician first) will find a way through the mists that WAS the Cult and go on to be great, regardless of age.

If, on the other hand, they DO reconcile and reform the Cult, then EVERY one of us here knows in our heart of hearts that it will not be permanent. That kind of artistic conflict, although may produce great work, can never survive for long. They will create art worthy of praise and remembrance, but nonetheless, will end at some juncture.

Lets stop the conjecture and embrace what they HAVE done, and if in future they do more together, then lets cherish the fact that they wrote something more to add to the memories.

Anyways, I've done enough rattling on, I'll shut up now. I'm kinda drunk

edcult - 6-26-2003 at 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pandora

I'm sorry, but your post is very offensive. I do not recall seeing any recent posts or articles indicating that Billy has said a word in public against Ian, or the Cult. I know the last conversation I had with him he did not attack either, or act as if the group was no more.

I am not even going to respond to the rest of your comments. They are just not worth it. I don't know why people have to try to act like they know everything about the band. Reading a few interviews and meeting them after a show does not make any of us experts on the subject. No one but Ian and Billy know what they really think.

Welcome to the board Pandora. You find my post offensive? Nice first post by the way. Before you rip me apart like that, maybe you should actually read my post again and realize that it is all speculation. I am assuming thats what is happening/happened. Am I not entitled to a point of view? Jeez, i'm not like half of the posts here saying "fuck Ian if he says .....blah blah blah The Cult". I'm pretty sure I am entitled to a point of view on the situation after what I"VE contributed to Ian & Billy's pocketbook. I along with Wizard, Sidewinder, JayRob, SonicSpirit, RedVelvet, LuvAstbury and every other "fan" (sorry if I missed anyone) have every right to voice their opinions.

Good luck with this board. You really know how to make friends.

JayRob - 6-26-2003 at 07:06 AM

Shesellssanctuary - I hope you're right !

Man, if you are, let's say, a kind of PR to the guys, DO YOUR JOB AND INFORMS ACCURATELY GOD DAMIT !!! :mad:

Andrew - No one here is neglecting what they have done. The lack of attention is REAL, it is not especulation. YES , we especulate because we CARE ABOUT THE BAND, otherwise we wouldn't give it a rat's ass.

Pandora - Same information to you as above, AND, you really should know better than attacking someone that is just adding his two cents.

I continue to state that Ian and and Billy should give their fans a litlle , minimum attention and give it an OFFICIAL WORD about The Cult. That's all.

JRoberto

LedDenny - 6-26-2003 at 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by JayRob

If they put up a decent site (it doesn't have to be THAT killer site) with a decent per-request on-line store, with a decent message board on it, a decent bio, a decent discography on it and a mailing list it would be enough. Maybe a place for their side projects too. They might even make some money out of it.

Someone has bought the rights to the former official site and when the time is right, it will be back up and running.

Homer - 6-26-2003 at 08:02 AM

well now ... once my head stopped spinning from reading this rather lenghty thread, here's my two cents:

first of all, when the hell has either Ian and/ or Billy really ever communicated with the fans except for on stage? So no communication from the two of them is nothing new really ...

as far as getting Ian and Billy involved with this or any other website, they were involved with CULTnet, and that was only updated maybe a half dozen times in 2 years, so what would be the point in that?

as far as Ian and his "Fuck the Cult" comment, he and Billy have had a falling out every couple of years: during the entire "Peace" fiasco/ another during the "Electric" album and tour/ "Sonic Temple" album and tour Ian & Billy weren't speaking to each other again/ the disowned "Ceremony" album, and if memory serves me correctly Ian and Billy were rarely even in the studio at the same time during the making of that record/ again after the 1994 record Ian split ... do you notice a pattern developing here? it seems like after most Cult records Ian and Billy go there seperate ways for a little while, Ian says he's done with The Cult, and then a few years later he and Billy are back. so again this really isn't anything new here either ...

I hate to say this but maybe Ian thought of saying that as a publicity stunt of sorts, to get the people on Cult message boards talking, which is exactly what has happened ...

I don't think Ian's involvment with "The Singing Grampa's" a.k.a. "The 21st Century Doors" will last much further than this one record and tour. If Ray and Robbie try to do this again, I think people would have that "been there done that" kind of mentality/ response, and it would go over like a lead balloon a second time. This is a one shot, one time only deal.

lastly, and I know I'm going to get a lot of crap for this one, but I wouldn't get very excited about shesellssanctuary's allegation of an upcoming Cult concert. He's made these kind of veiled comments before and has made no attempt to back any of them up with anything. Granted, he's in a Cult cover band but so what? As we've already gone over here, Ian and Billy don't communicate with the fans very often, so why would they talk to him? He's just trying to sound cool, trying to make it seem like he has some kind of "inside information", or that he knows Ian and Billy personally, thinking that it impresses us. Don't believe him for a second ...

no more excuses shesellssanctuary: TELL US WHAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY KNOW OR ADMIT THAT YOU ARE FULL OF CA - CA. No more esoteric comments like "you'll just have to wait and see" or one word responses like "trust",
PROVE ME WRONG AND TELL US WHAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY KNOW OR SHUT THE HELL UP AND PROVE I'M RIGHT ...

and this is my 100th posting ...
yippee

[Edited on 6-26-2003 by Homer]

DAMN....did i do this?...

doggiestar - 6-26-2003 at 08:43 AM

i seem to remember that i was the poor sucker who announced that the Cult were splitting up in Dec 2001...

i also seem to remember asking IAN about Crass...

now i'm here again...

what...if anything has been forthcomming from these posts?...

well if you actually had any input on the cultnet message boards than i guess you'll know that i'm not everyones fave poster...i prolly have as many enemies in the cult camp as i do have friends...

but above all else...when the bullshit is thick...and lets face it...the bullshit on here can get extremely thick...only a few voices whispering in the darkness hold the truth...

what you guys have to do...is figure out who that is for your selves...

finally...don't all get mad and pissed off...this is just like Homer said...it's the process...it's what happens/happened to Ian and Billy all the time they have been in a sucessful band...

if they make another record...so be it...personally...i ain't gonna hold my breath...the time for the Cult is past...lets praise the body of work that we have from them already...how many other bands from the 80's can hold their musical heads so high with diversity and clarity in each of their albums?...

shit...enough already...

Fire Woman - 6-26-2003 at 10:04 AM

I have to agree with Homer on this one. The pattern thing for sure. We don't know what is going on between them...so how can we just guess? He's pissed at Billy for some reason...who knows what. Maybe its legit. Its their bizness. Don't know about anyone else...but I won't give up hope. Let's not turn this into the bashing and crap that was the Cultnet...ok?

JayRob - 6-26-2003 at 11:11 AM

Err...Andie : You started this so it is all your fault :P:P:P :lol:

If Homer (d'oh) is right and Ian said that awful thing to get us all started and talking he GOT IT !!! :flame: :lol:

LedDenny - As I said before, optimism is welcome !

I'll stop here. I made my point. The band and all that it represents is AWESOME AND REVELANT, and althought I enjoy The Doors and what is going on right now I'LL NEVER consider it more important than The Cult's work. AND The Cult is far far away from fuck itself!

JRoberto

LuvAstbury - 6-26-2003 at 11:27 AM

Bad, bad Dog...Anyway, I agree with Homer and it is also my theory that Ian is keeping us on our toes. We also don't know what had been going on recently between Ian and Billy---they seem to spontaneously fight and then patch things up. I really think this whole thing has been taken out of context. Ian seems to be a moody artist so we can expect this. We just have to be patient like we have always been since the Cult is so unpredictable. Ian has to do what makes him happy for the moment and I support him in whatever he wants to do now or in the future. I have a feeling Ian will eventually reconcile with Billy. Whenever the Cult gets back together (which has been numerous times) Ian always says it's because of the fans. Since it seems as though many fans have expressed a fervent desire for the Cult to come back, I am sure Ian will think about that and when he misses the Cult, he will think about how happy it will make us all. What Ian does is not just artistic expression, but the Cult is/was a job. Ian is allowed to take a break from a "job" that he has worked for 20 years...I am proud of Ian--I mean, the Doors (well, the two old fossils, The Two Grandpas..whatever you want to call them) chose IAN!!! I mean, I think that kicks ass! (As long as it doesn't last forever...) Besides, if Ian ends up doing a solo album (I hope he doesn't shave his head again) he does so for himself and the fans--I doubt he makes a lot of money from it. In any case, whatever happens, I will deal and be happy. I am sure we will heave a big sigh of relief when the Cult reforms sooner or later....
~Julia/LuvAstbury

cultivated - 6-26-2003 at 12:20 PM

Wow, this thread IS long. I think Homer's got it right, except I somehow DOUBT Ian
cares about what we say on the Cult message board. Maybe, he is just sick of all the Cult fans asking him when, when when , will will will The Cult be back and wish we would care more that The Doors go on successfully since he's INTO The Doors now.

b.star - 6-26-2003 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by cultivated
Wow, this thread IS long. I think Homer's got it right, except I somehow DOUBT Ian
cares about what we say on the Cult message board. Maybe, he is just sick of all the Cult fans asking him when, when when , will will will The Cult be back and wish we would care more that The Doors go on successfully since he's INTO The Doors now.

but if the cult fans wouldn't ask him all the time he wouldn't know they're being missed...

he's into the doors now and cult fans are going to doors shows !

cultivated - 6-26-2003 at 12:40 PM

b.star. You are right! I just think he might be tired of it. If you were doing something new that you were all into and then your friends only asked you of your last project, wouldn't get tired of their questions? Wouldn't you want to talk about your NEW project?

edcult - 6-26-2003 at 12:49 PM

Cooler heads prevail. Homer summed it up in a great post without my dripping sarcasm. Dog, I think you would like us all to hate you, ain't workin brother! :moon: JayRob, always there when we need ya. Julia, you started this shitstorm. lol :P

I was talkin to somebody who knows Ian & Billy, he said everything is cool. Ian said Billy was a great guy and Billy said Ian can tour with The Doors as long as he wants, he'll always be there for him. They are still in love and there will be a new album, tour, t-shirts. Its all good, L O N G L I V E T H E C U L T .

....really, i did hear this.......honest. :angel:

b.star - 6-26-2003 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by cultivated
b.star. You are right! I just think he might be tired of it. If you were doing something new that you were all into and then your friends only asked you of your last project, wouldn't get tired of their questions? Wouldn't you want to talk about your NEW project?

ok. u win.
my man is an artist and he's never interested in what he's done in the past, only present projects & future are interesting for him. same with other artists i know.

i just can't help myself. if i'd meet ian i'd also ask him if there was some DUFFY & CULT in his future concepts...

poor man. fucking trapped in his role. and WE LOVE HIM for that. (well i do)

JayRob - 6-26-2003 at 02:04 PM

Hey Ed, that sounds good ... you are not cheating us so we stop the ramble here, are you ? ... :P:P

B.Star - It is natural for CULT FANS to want more stuff from the music that MOVES THEM SO MUCH IN EVERY SENSE.

Ok, when I get home I'll blow my sound's speakers with their 1999 Avallon Ball Room show...talking about SINGING good music ...

JRoberto

edcult - 6-26-2003 at 04:24 PM

Jay, i'm one evil cat that listens to music by a band called THE CULT. Whaddya expect? Peace as always brother. :cool:

LuvAstbury - 6-26-2003 at 05:43 PM

Bloody hell, I don't remember posting a news update alerting everyone to the Cult's status...
:flame::flame::flame:
~Julia/LuvAstbury

cultivated - 6-26-2003 at 06:01 PM

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I feel the same way, I just was trying to think of a reason , he'd say "screw the Cult".

SIXTH...

SonicFire - 6-26-2003 at 06:25 PM

It aint over 'til we say it is.

Fire:flame:

edcult - 6-27-2003 at 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by LuvAstbury
Bloody hell, I don't remember posting a news update alerting everyone to the Cult's status...
:flame::flame::flame:
~Julia/LuvAstbury

No-one is saying you did Jules. Chill girl, its almost humorous now, looking back. The lads should be honoured that they have such passionate fans. The slightest little misconception here, misguided quote there, and the shithouse goes up in flames. Everyone must admit, it has been the most exciting thread in months....

Fire Woman - 6-29-2003 at 09:50 AM

Ok. Just when and where did Ian say screw the Cult or whatever? And what exactly did he say? I missed something here. I can't find the thread that says what happened and all. :o

JOY - 6-30-2003 at 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by JayRob
The real pisser in all of this (like it's been in the Cult history) is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO OFFICIAL WORD about it all ??? Why ?

...because it is not "official."

wink!

JayRob - 6-30-2003 at 07:17 AM

I like thw wink !

Hey, if it was jut to test our level of interest in all subjects CULT ... :mad:

, but then , :D

JRoberto