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Libertine
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I think everyone knows my view on the war so I'll put a locking cover on my keyboard for this topic.
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Libertine
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Does a quickie Rodney Dangerfield impression before leaving though.
*adjusts tie*
No respect, no respect
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romi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
what you really need to see is that Saddam is the real mother fucker,a threat to America and the world,your country included,I hope the future proves
your anger wrong when you see a liberated Iraq,thanks to Bush and Blair,Saddam needs to die,end of story. |
You are not teach me nothing new. I know that Saddam is a real mother fucker, i don't need you to tell me that. But do you think that is necessary to
have so much people kill, and i'm talking about iraqi people and american and english soldiers, to get the hands on Saddam??? Bullshit. He is probably
far away laughing about it.
I don't know why America was so piss off when talibans have destroyed the ancient Budas, because America is doing the same shit, destroying one of the
most beautiful cities in the world. Does Bush knows if iraqi people wants to have americans and english taking control of their country??? Of course
they don't want that.
Is not Bush, neither Blair that have sons or daughters, that can die in this stupid war.They don't give a shit about them. You must pray (instead of
being at the your president side) for the soldiers that are dying.
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iana
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I am not a religious person,I do not pray,you are worried about friends that you have over there that "might " get killed? what about my friends that
DID FUCKING GET KILLED ON 9/11? they're all terrorist and for the last time, yap all you want nothing is going to change war is on and the bastard
Americans are in charge,I DON"T WANT THIS WAR EITHER but it's here and while it is you can bet your ass i'm behind my fucking President!
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.Right next to the mashed potatoes!
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Iraq Displays Dead and Captured U.S. Soldiers
By Hassan Hafidh
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq (news - web sites) displayed on Sunday five shaken U.S. soldiers apparently captured in a battle near the southern city of
Nassiriya and some bloodied bodies, in what U.S. officials called a violation of the Geneva Convention.
Iraqi television filmed the bodies and prisoners, saying they fell into Iraqi hands during a battle at the town of Souq al-Shuyukh, southeast of
Nassiriya where U.S. forces have encountered stiff resistance.
The video showed two rooms each containing what appeared to be two separate groups of four bodies in uniform, at least two with wounds to the head and
some lying in pools of blood.
The film then showed interviews with five separate captured soldiers, two of whom appeared to be injured -- one a woman, the other a man lying on a
rug on the floor.
They were the first U.S. prisoners known to have been taken by Iraq since U.S.-led forces invaded four days ago to overthrow President Saddam Hussein
(news - web sites). The prisoners gave their names and home towns and one provided his military identification number.
Lt. Gen. John Abizaid, second in command of the U.S. invasion force, later said 12 U.S. soldiers were missing.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the video was a violation of the Geneva Convention but added that the capture of Americans would not alter U.S.
war plans, saying display of such footage was "obviously part of Iraqi propaganda."
RED CROSS CONCERNED
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) agreed the footage violated the convention, which says that prisoners of war must be protected
"against insult and public curiosity," and said it would seek permission to visit the captives.
Television footage of Iraqis surrendering to U.S. and British forces, and still photographs of Iraqi prisoners, some showing the captives in
humiliating positions, won wide play in the U.S. media on Sunday.
Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed said Iraq would respect the Geneva Convention in its treatment of prisoners.
"Iraq will not harm the captured prisoners of war," he said.
The bodies, mostly still fully clothed but some with their shirts pulled up, were shown strewn on the floor in pools of blood. In the first room, at
least two had wounds to the head and another had a groin wound. In another room, a smiling Iraqi uncovered more bodies, some with blackened faces.
The first prisoner shown, a nervous soldier in glasses, gave his name as Miller and said he was from Kansas.
Asked why he had come to Iraq he replied: "Because I was told to come here. I was just under orders. I was told to shoot -- only if I'm shot at. I
don't want to kill anybody."
Speaking on condition of anonymity, a U.S. defense official said the missing U.S. personnel were probably members of a maintenance unit that was
operating in southern Iraq.
Two of the prisoners shown by Iraqi television said they were from the 507th Maintenance Company.
The 507th Corps Support Group provides supplies, equipment, repairs and maintenance and would usually provide support as far forward as possible to
the 82nd Airborne Division, the 3rd Infantry Division and the 101st Airborne Division.
U.S. officers said Marines battling Iraqi guerrillas for Nassiriya, on the Euphrates river about 375 km (225 miles) southeast of Baghdad, had taken
"significant" casualties in a fight to open a route north to the Iraqi capital.
GUNS OR FLOWERS?
The second prisoner shown, who gave his name as Joseph Hudson, said he came from El Paso, Texas.
Asked why he had come to Iraq, he said: "I follow orders."
He was asked repeatedly whether he was greeted by guns or flowers by Iraqis, but appeared not to understand the question.
A third man who appeared to have a broken arm, was lying on a red patterned rug, but was pulled into a sitting position to answer questions. He gave
his name as Edgar from Texas and said only that he had entered Iraq from Kuwait.
A fourth prisoner gave his name as Sgt. James Riley from New Jersey and said he was 31 years old. He appeared to be in shock, turning his head from
side to side.
The fifth, a woman who gave her name as Shawna, said she was 30 and had a bandaged ankle.
Appearing on CBS television, Rumsfeld was shown the footage, which was relayed around the world by the Arabic network Al-Jazeera, and said it violated
the Geneva Convention, which he said prohibited the photographing or interrogation by media of those captured in battle.
Rumsfeld later criticized networks for airing such footage.
Noting that the United States now had in custody more than 2,000 Iraqis, he called on Baghdad to abide by international law and treat U.S. captives
"just as we treat Iraqi prisoners according to the Geneva Convention."
[Edited on 3-24-2003 by Soldier Blue]
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Soldier Blue
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DEHUMANISING" FOOTAGE
Reuters.com
Some Arab citizens said the footage of POWs, dead soldiers and the blow-by-blow TV war coverage made the conflict seem like a tasteless movie which
belittled the human suffering.
"Showing these images is the same mistake on both sides. This is a war in which nobody is respecting their own values and nobody wins. It is sick.
Both sides are breaking the Geneva Convention," one Arab official said.
"Seeing all this on TV is dehumanizing. It's as though it were yet another Hollywood production," an Arab academic said. "It's a bad movie by a bad
director," said one Egyptian man.
Badr, a Saudi government employee, said: "It's become a media war, a psychological war. You don't know whom to believe."
One Arab translator said Iraqi TV had damaged Arabs by showing the footage of dead and wounded U.S. soldiers, saying "it feeds into stereotypes that
Arabs are barbaric."
An Arab official feared the Iraqi television pictures would also harm the image of Islam, which he said "has high respect for human beings, and for
those who are dying or dead."
Usama al-Kurdi, a member of Saudi Arabia's state-appointed Shura Council, called the Iraqi footage "another indication of the kind of regime it is.
Showing bodies on TV is not acceptable." While no fan of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Saudi Arabia has said it is opposed to the war.
ANTI-WAR SENTIMENT RISING
Whether or not they agree on the ethics of the media coverage, most Arabs and regional newspapers say each passing day cements their opposition to the
U.S.-led invasion.
"The pictures of dead Arab children with only the front of their heads still in place and the images of dead American soldiers strewn on the ground
are equally tragic, because they were equally avoidable," Lebanon's Daily Star wrote in a front-page editorial.
Many say they are fed up with what they consider Washington's haughty approach and empty pledges about commitments to protect civilians.
"To talk about smart bombs while blood flows everywhere is a provocation against the victims, their families and the whole world," Saudi daily
al-Jazira wrote in an editorial.
Samir Ragab, editor-in-chief of Egypt's al-Gomhuriya, said he was outraged that the United States "kills a nation's children and women and abandons
their corpses for stray dogs."
He said in an editorial that Washington's pre-war claims about wanting to liberate Iraq from a tyrant rang hollow "while its killing machine is being
turned on innocent civilians."
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the wizard
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shitheads!
ok, one more time!
hussein loyalists = bad guys!
u.s,brit,aussie troops = good guys!
the geneva convention is out the fickin window as far as i'm concerned, does anyone know why they showed those dead soldiers with heads wounds?
anyone?
i'll tell you why, because they shot them! those mother fuuckers will pay and pay for that one, mark my words.
execution of p.o.w's will NOT go unpunished, i can only hope that when our troops get to faghdad they fuucking unload mass lead into those
responible!
personally i don't care for this shit at all, but i know it's now or later, and by later i mean after saddam sell bio-weapons to some retard that
decides he's gonna go see allah and take a shitload of americans or brits or whoever with him.
there are some VERY mis-guided people in this world, and at this point in time it's to late to try and change their minds with anything other than a
bullet!
we have the support of 46 countries at last check, your either with us or against us at this point. 
[Edited on 3-24-2003 by the wizard]
when kids ask me how does santa clause live forever, i tell them "it's because he drinks blood".
if life deals you lemons, why not go kill someone with the lemons(maybe by shoving them down his throat).
it's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs.
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moya
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Libertine
I think everyone knows my view on the war so I'll put a locking cover on my keyboard for this topic. |
i agree..... it's no secret what i think of this war but i have decided to "lock my keyboard" on this subject too 'cause i think what's happening is
enough. there's no need to insult each other on this board.
and wizard the world is a bit more complicated than "with us or against us"
*** All the suffering in the world arises out of wanting happiness for self. All happiness in the world arises out of wanting happiness for others
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romi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
you are worried about friends that you have over there that "might " get killed? |
You said that you are older then some of us. But i think that intelectually you are very young. I'm not only worried about my friends. I'm worried
about this world. What can happen after this war. And just for your information, and to end this subject, i must inform you that my uncle, my father's
brother, is in this war. He is fighting for your arrogant empire and if he dies, i don't think Bush is gonna cry for that death, or start to have
nightmares about this. He will not give a shit about it. But you can't see that.
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iana
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For your information I have enough friends in this war,I don't need to know about your uncle,I care about the people on both sides,Iraqi's and
Americans and as far as being young intellectually I will go head to head with you any day of the week,you don't know me,you know nothing about me
except from what you read on this board,you are arrogant,you are the one people don't like because of your ramblings about this war,like I said before
the war is here no matter what you or I feel about it,we have no control over and as long as my friends and fellow Americans are over there,I will
support them.
This is why I stay away from these topics,some things people will never agree on and this war is certainly one of them, I like you Romi,no disrespect
to you or your Uncle ,I do hope he stays safe,but I will not respond again to this topic after this post.
To Moya- I usually am not like this and I never strike first at a person,place or thing,i'm a peaceful person at heart,i'm sorry if I offend you in
any way,I have immense respect for you.
One last thing,my heart goes out to any POW,MIA,or KIA but these men and women know what ther're getting into when they sign up for the
military,especially now, alot of young people from my neighborhood signed up after 9/11 and might even go over ? anyway i'm done.
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.Right next to the mashed potatoes!
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moya
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
To Moya- I usually am not like this and I never strike first at a person,place or thing,i'm a peaceful person at heart,i'm sorry if I offend you in
any way,I have immense respect for you.
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i know that Debi, the respect is mutual you know that...
*** All the suffering in the world arises out of wanting happiness for self. All happiness in the world arises out of wanting happiness for others
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the wizard
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yeah
| Quote: | Originally posted by moya
| Quote: | Originally posted by Libertine
I think everyone knows my view on the war so I'll put a locking cover on my keyboard for this topic. |
i agree..... it's no secret what i think of this war but i have decided to "lock my keyboard" on this subject too 'cause i think what's happening is
enough. there's no need to insult each other on this board.
and wizard the world is a bit more complicated than "with us or against us" |
i know the world is more complicated, much more so than most people. there are things at play that most people can't or won't see, for example the
republican guard has been issued orders to use chemical and/or biological weapons if our troops get within a certain distance of baghdad.
now isn't that special?!?!
so much for "oh yeah we got rid of all those nasty things"(saddam). you see we as citizens are not privy to the info that our governments are, perhaps
if we were let in on the dirty little secrets then more people would understand the need to nip this saddam in the bud. to bad bush sr. didn't get the
job done the first time around. if i thought there was a chance i could get over there in time to do my part, i would sign up in a minute. although i
am too old by military standards to join, and i have authority issues as well as i'm not cutting my hair.
moya, i'm not the bad guy, i just get very upset with all the bitching ill informed people do, we ALL should support our troops and send them all our
love and prayers(no matter who ya pray to)!
romi, instead of whining, do something about it if your that passionate. this is what i'm talking about, to much bitching not enough action, and by
action i don't mean going out and protesting the war. that is just plain evil and retarded at this point. i mean go and donate to the red cross for
the relief effort as i'm going to do. the people in iraq will need LOTS of help to recover from 27 years of brutality that saddam has inflicted on
them. just do a quick search and find the red cross website, send what you can!
when kids ask me how does santa clause live forever, i tell them "it's because he drinks blood".
if life deals you lemons, why not go kill someone with the lemons(maybe by shoving them down his throat).
it's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs.
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romi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by the wizard
romi, instead of whining, do something about it ... i mean go and donate to the red cross for the relief effort as i'm going to do. the people in iraq
will need LOTS of help to recover from 27 years of brutality that saddam has inflicted on them. just do a quick search and find the red cross website,
send what you can! |
Most of you americans thinks that have all the reason and can teach the world how to act.You don't know shit about me, so don't even try to say what i
shoul or shouldn't do. I'm not in Iraq, but i'm trying to help iraqi people from red cross in Portugal. Unfortunately i can't go to Iraq, because i
have a job that i can't quit. But if you want some information about red cross i can give to you. Just ask for it. But i'm not doing this because i'm
from Saddam side.I would do that if the problem was in other country.
And what the fuck are you doing to help the people? Maybe nothing, like most of the americans do.
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romi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
you are arrogant,you are the one people don't like because of your ramblings about this war
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"Thank you" for saying that i'm arrogant. "Thank you" for saying that people don't like me.
Sorry if i piss you off. A war in Iraq is enough, let's not starting our war in here.
Kisses from an arrogant person.
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iana
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You are the one who comes to a message board and insults the Country of the majority of the people on the board,maybe other people would tolerate it
,I will not,sometimes Romi we need to keep our opinions to ourself,I would never go to a message board and insult other peoples country, you don't
like America,don't come here,don't buy our products and so on we don't need you to like us,you talk about "NO RESPECT" you should respect the fact
that when insult America ,you insult alot of people here as well. I don't dislike you,I understand your anger ,I just wish you would stop the bashing
of my country on this board.
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.Right next to the mashed potatoes!
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romi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
you don't like America,don't come here,don't buy our products and so on we don't need you to like us |
I don't say that i don't like America. I don't live American politics. I come to this site everytime i want to. I come here because i like The Cult, i
don't come here for your pretty eyes or because most of people is american. I come here because, believe it or not, i have friends (and good ones) in
this site. I'm trying not to buy your products, like you are doing to the french. I like you all. Is you that are saying that i don't like. One more
time you are talking like your president. You decide what people should or shouldn't like. The world don't work like that."Or you are with us or with
the terrorists" don't work for me. If you don't like me here, don't answer to my posts.
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iana
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Romi,you make it real hard to be nice to you,again if you read my posts carefully,you'll see I said I don't dislike you,I do,I respect your opinion on
this war as you should respect mine,I try not to be "malicious" in my posts or offend a large party of people, from now on I will not bother to think
about what you say because like my opinion who really cares what we think and I never said not to come to this board,who the fuck am I to say so,we
come here for the Cult,I shall stay in "CULT RELATED" topics,well try to anyway, my pretty eyes have 10/20 vision,I am far from blind,I don't like
war,I am against America being in Iraq but we are there,so like alot of Americans,I will support our troops and hope we leave there quickly,we all
cannot be right in our assement of this war,we all have our opinions and again I respect yours I wish you would do the same.There ain't no reason we
can't discuss this topic maturely like adults without the use of foul language and name calling,I apologize truely if I insulted you,my anger gets the
best of me,I do hope your uncle is okay as well as my 14 friends and neighbors,If you would like to discuss this lets do it calmly,if not I respect
that as well,peace to you.
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.Right next to the mashed potatoes!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
my pretty eyes have 10/20 vision,I am far from blind |
Well, my eyes have "better than 20/20 vision" and all I see here is a few people, with vastly differing opinions, shouting at brick walls.
Opinions are like assholes: Everyone's got one, most of them stink to other people and nobody wants to hear 'em.
Perhaps we should agree to disagree, because it is already apparent (or should be) that no amount of back and forth is going to change the other(s)'
stance on this. All it is doing is running up tempers and webspace.
Personally, I hear/see enough about this war, from opinions to eyewitness accounts thru the media already.
This board is where I come to talk (in a fashion) to people and get some form of relaxation. So can we keep the Iraq talk to a minimum? If you wish to
continue it, try emailing, or using a chat program like MSN or Yahoo or one of the many others out there.
For my sanity and that of others, please stop it.
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iana
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Andrew,you say this after your long post on the other thread?
I don't come here to fight with people this is my only salvation from the shit I deal with everyday,(fear of terrorists,animal rescue,family and $$
problems) I come here for info and to talk with friends and alot of times a good laugh,I said as well war talk should not be done here,freedom of
speech? hell yeah but keep it civil. 10/20 vision is better then 20/20 innit?
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.Right next to the mashed potatoes!
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Sidewinder 42
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| Quote: | Originally posted by iana
Andrew,you say this after your long post on the other thread?
I don't come here to fight with people this is my only salvation from the shit I deal with everyday,(fear of terrorists,animal rescue,family and $$
problems) I come here for info and to talk with friends and alot of times a good laugh,I said as well war talk should not be done here,freedom of
speech? hell yeah but keep it civil. 10/20 vision is better then 20/20 innit? |
I posted that as an ironic example, it is yet another opinion of the thousands floating around.
Oh, and "better than 20/20" means beyond the test's ability to detect a fault :o
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