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WAR! HOLY WAR!!

SonicFire - 3-8-2003 at 11:57 PM

When will the WAR start?

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doggiestar - 3-9-2003 at 07:50 AM


sorry...i don't understand...

r u wishing a Jihad to commence?...

i think that you'll find a Holy War (by that i mean Crusade circa 12th century) was a complete con devised by the ruling classes to evict the muslim hordes from Jeruslem...why?...power and money...trade routes...etc...

r u really callin for a Holy War?...every war ever faught in the middle east has ended with some kind of massive loss of life...but it wasn't due to religion...be it Iraq and Iran...be it Israel and Palistine...behind every conflict...there stood the USA and it's foriegn policy...not religion at all...purely for the power...money from and for oil...and the trade on a global market of the black gold...

the leaders always drop their wars to the bottom common denominator...religion...from the first day we are conditioned into believing Religion = Peace...and...it's right to fight for what you believe...we believe in religions...so it's right to fight for your religion...BUT...religion = peace to all man...where's the peace in that?...

but i digress...

Holy War...however you file the thought process to get there...you have to compromise your religions real truth...not to kill your fellow man...how can anyone with their religious beliefs going into battle be christian?...god fearing?...whatever...we are taught at school that we must be tolerant of other religions...

so how the fuck can you call it a holy war???


please...don't get this arse over tit...i don't want a war...i most definately don't want a Holy War...but i have a lone voice...and a lone voice cannot change the massed view of the ever looming war that is going to happen...i accept it's gonna happen...so be it...but it's not in my name...and it does not represent my beliefs...

when the day turns to night and another dawn passes over head...the world will still be here...slightly different...but generally the same...men will have faught and died...power will change hands from one man to another...but above all...the cost to us all in taxes raised to pay for the massive undertakings of the war is gonna cause everyone to rethink the value of war...not only in human blood...but in hard cash...how do you think the governments will off set that outlay?...

the cost of our oil...petrol for the masses...can it be the last of the great deals done to the nations of the middle east?...Iraq has the largest reserves of Oil in the middle east...who's gonna control that?...and force the hand of the great Arab oil cartels to drop their prices before flooding the market?...


HOLY WAR?...I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Just picking out some lyrics from BG&E

SonicFire - 3-9-2003 at 11:29 PM

Really, what I want done to some people is downright UNHOLY.

I do know this. The WAR started years ago, now, we will finish it.

Remember the 'STARK "INCIDENT"'?

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romi - 3-10-2003 at 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by SonicFire
When will the WAR start?


You are really an asshole. You don't reserve any respect.

Just A Suggestion......

Bast - 3-10-2003 at 08:28 AM

Now that the "official" Cult Board is dead and buried. How about we all try to "play nice" here. Let's give this tired topic of "war" a well deserved rest. The nag has been flogged way past the finish post. Let's face it, in the end is it really going to change anything except one's temper?

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romi - 3-10-2003 at 09:01 AM

We can't forget this subject. I think is important to discuss what is happening to the world, and what the asshole of the president Bush is doing.

romi - 3-10-2003 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Bast
How about we all try to "play nice" here.


I can't play nice if the people don't play nice with me and specially when they don't respect and don't understand my opinions.

Kisses to you

Nice try Bast

SonicFire - 3-10-2003 at 09:42 AM

romi and her ilk never get past that Bush is the American president, then come the superlatives like 'asshole'.

many do want updates and a discussion (#of posts) about the growing events. Like many have done we should stick to the discussion points and avoid the superlatives. they revert to such terms when they cant come up with anything else and their hatred comes out.

many also want to get certain info from the boards.

but, I dont think that some want to stick to the points.

Nice try Bast

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romi - 3-10-2003 at 11:05 AM

Hey Sonic....it's not me that use to call whores and slut to the people that has different opinion than yours. Go to the post "Tibet...." by Moya and answer me the question i put on.

Tibet

SonicFire - 3-10-2003 at 05:53 PM

I was in favor of freeing Tibet before it was chic.

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Iraq and the USS STARK

SonicFire - 3-10-2003 at 05:59 PM

May 17, 1987.

Iraq shot an exocet (french) missle to hit the USS Stark, 37 Americans were killed.

This is when it ALL started.

Because America did not respond correctly to this 'incident', Saddam thought he could walk into Kuwait without America getting involved.

The only thing this guy understands is brute force.

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romi - 3-11-2003 at 03:13 AM

"THE KIDS OF THE COCA-COLA NATION
ARE TOO DOPED UP TO REALISE
THAT TIME IS RUNNING OUT..."

It's payback time.

SonicFire - 3-18-2003 at 01:01 PM

I'll be back in time for dinner!

http://www.globalsecurity.org

http://www.debka.com

http://www.worldnetdaily.com



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[Edited on 3-18-2003 by SonicFire]

romi - 3-18-2003 at 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by SonicFire
I'll be back in time for dinner!

[Edited on 3-18-2003 by SonicFire]


Here he is.... back in town.....

Well, the fucking war that you and your lovely president desire so much is about to happen.
I suppose that you are very happy and glad to see all the inocent people that are going to die. It must be a precious vision.
I'm very sad at this time :( and that's how you gonna feel when someday, USA gonna be attack because of the action of your president. Then you are going to cry.
I must thank Bush for sending men to kill my friends that lives in Iraq. I must thank him for giving me the chance to never see them again.
War is cool, isn't it???? :( Fuck Bush..... that's all i have to say.

the wizard - 3-19-2003 at 05:26 AM

i say fuck saddam! hope he goes out like a bitch, on his knees whimpering! that mofo aint got no respect for human life at all, go see my post on the australian pm thread, educate yourself some romi! i have nothing against you voicing your opinion but if your not well informed then you should really keep it quiet until ya are well informed. your female, right? how about a nice stay in the palace with saddams son udu? a fun filled night of rape and torture, all kept on video for prosperity, sound like fun? i think not. sure bush is a moron but WE (by we i mean the u.s and its supporters including portugal) have the moral high ground here! get it over with and move on, personally i'm tired of the whole thing already.8)


oh and by the way, the u.s has already been attacked. try expianing what happened on 9-11 to a 5 year old as its happening. walk a mile in my shoes then try and complain. i feel for your friends in iraq but no americans are out to kill innocent people, unlike terrorists like saddam, just ask the kurds.

[Edited on 3-19-2003 by the wizard]:mad:

[Edited on 3-19-2003 by the wizard]

Sidewinder 42 - 3-19-2003 at 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by the wizard
but no americans are out to kill innocent people,


Actually, the US military has stated that anyone involved in "Human Shield" who is still in Iraq at the time war starts will be considered to be supporting Saddam's regime and thus bombing runs will not be diverted to avoid them. Now, the people involved in "Human Shield" are there to protect the civilian population who do NOT support Saddam from being bombed. So the innocent protecting the innocent will be killed. The US, and all countries committed to the attack, are aware they are there, and thus are killing innocents.
People talk about scale, saying that Iraq will kill 1000's of innocent people, so a few in this war doesn't matter. That lovely term "Collateral Damage". This didn't have to be the case, there were other answers to this problem apart from war.
Oh, and as for killing innocents, anyone remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Where the bombs were dropped 'cos they wanted to see the effects on a real-situation target? So much for an unconditional surrender meaning anything...............

Sorry, just checking my facts..........

romi - 3-19-2003 at 07:29 AM

Hey, Wizard, you talk about the people that died in 9-11 but you don't give a shit about the inocent people that are going to be kill in Iraq. If U.S. army consider the murders in Iraq a collateral dammage, that can also be apply at what happen in the Twin Towers.Or it's just for ones and not for the others.
U.S. only started to see the reality in the world, and start to care about human rights when were attack. Till that time, probably most of americans didn't knew who were the Talibans, what they use to do or where Apheganistan was located, and didn't give a fuck about human rights.
About Portugal supporting Bush... the only thing that i can say is that at this time i'm SHAME of being portuguese.

moya - 3-19-2003 at 04:46 PM

i really wish there was a "roll eyes" smilie in this board...

Sidewinder 42 - 3-19-2003 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by edcult
Ok, here I go talkin bout something I know nothing about. I, along with Wizard and Sidewinder live in democratic countries. Last time I checked, that means we ELECT our "leader"/Prime Minister/President. Then this "leader" is supposed to do the best job for his/her people and country. From what I can see (whether I agree or not) this is what George W. is trying to do in a post 9/11 day & age. My Prime Minister stated yesterday we (Canada) will not participate in any un-sanctioned U.N. war. Do I agree with this decision? Yes, cause I voted for him. Would I agree with his decision if he DID say we'd participate in the war? Yes, cause I voted for him. I'm not sure how things are conducted in Portugal (not to single Romi out) or other European countries, but we all have a choice. If we don't like the way our country is run by the gov't we did/did not elect into power, we probably should move to a country that we feel shares our views.

Plain and simple, this is going to happen whether Americans, Canadians, Brits, or Cult fans of any nationality like it or not.....unfortunately.

It begs one to ask the question, if you enjoy the lifestyle you live in your country, why speak out against it?

If an Iraqui man/woman was to say publicly that they were ashamed to be from Iraq, what would be done to that person if someone found out? :puzzled:


Actually, I voted Labor in the last election......... LOL

gabewave - 3-20-2003 at 06:46 AM

:o I didn't vote for Bush Jr. :o

A Starbucks in Baghdad!

SonicFire - 3-21-2003 at 07:26 PM

Sweet Liberation is days away!

Iraqi citizens around the world are awaiting the new day dawning in Iraq.

Free Iraq!

I just can't wait until I drink an American coffee in downtown Baghdad!!!

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cultprincess - 3-21-2003 at 07:37 PM

What about a Starbucks in Baghdad???:D:)

Maybe I can get a job there, they probably pay more than Disney (Cheap Rat Bastard)

They really wouldn't have to pay me, just keep the coffee coming[Edited on 3-22-2003 by cultprincess]

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direct from the bbc website!

the wizard - 3-22-2003 at 06:42 AM

these are comments left by random people taken directly from the bbc site, the majority of which have some bit of common sense.

The following comments reflect the balance of views we have received

Protests now are simply negative whether you agree or disagree with the war

Laura Wakeford, England
Very selfish actions by the students who are simply glad to have an opportunity to skive off school. They should be supporting our troops. The time for this type of protest has past. How will our troops feel when they hear people back home are against the work they are risking their lives for, and their fellow service personal have already died for? Protests now are simply negative whether you agree or disagree with the war. Now is the time to be supporting our troops.
Laura Wakeford, England

I take comfort in knowing that my friends and neighbours care even if my "democratically" elected representatives do not.
Maggie Schaefer, US

Protests no longer serve any purpose! The war has begun! Yes the people protesting may feel they're only expressing their discomfort and want to be heard, but when over 50% of the country is feeling the same way doesn't it all seem a little pointless? Who are they protesting to? The government made their decision a few days ago. The protest to take place on the 22nd of March is simply a protest for those who missed the last one, people who simply want to be a talking point and don't want to be left out; if they'd been that bothered they'd of gone to the first protest before the war started!
Matty B, Stafford, UK

Unfortunately I cannot get to London today, but I will be participating wherever possible, as despite the fact people are disgusted by traffic delays and minor civil disobedience, I am disgusted with the attempted levelling of an entire city/country to justify the US defence budget. Dead civilians can't and won't be able to celebrate their "liberation".
Phil, England

People are entitled to an opinion, and as long as they stay within the law they should be allowed to express it

Michael Woodvine, England
People are entitled to an opinion, and as long as they stay within the law they should be allowed to express it. We appear to believe democracy is the preferred form of government, and as the decision to participate was made by our elected representative we need to let them get on with representing us; at the same time legally expressing our opinion and doing what we can for the "innocents".
Michael Woodvine, England

I believe it to be grossly irresponsible of 'peace' organisations to encourage school children to truant from school in order to take part in protests. Children are too immature to understand the issues, and see it purely as 'permission' to revolt against authority. They don't understand the law and order issues involved and some may get seriously hurt.
Noel Payne, England

Protesting might not change anything now, but it will go down in history and hopefully encourage future generations to never keep silent. We have a voice and the right to use it. If news of the protests reach the Iraqi people, it will show them we do not support what is going on and we stand by their side, even if we are being ignored. Governments might represent countries, but people are their true essence.
Yara Romariz Maasri, Beirut, Lebanon

The people going to demonstrations make me sick. They seem to have the mistaken view that a lot of people support their twisted sense of reality; independent polls that show the majority of UK people are behind the government. Anyone who goes to demonstrations is thinking of themselves and giving no thought to the people of Iraq. People in Iraq will be better off without Saddam, it only takes a small amount of effort to realise this war is necessary. For matters of this magnitude people should trust the government because they have the information to make the correct decision. The average member of public does not have the knowledge to make informed decisions.
Martin Piper, UK

I strongly believe that such vigorous protest is a healthy symptom of liberty

Cuthbert, USA
Though I disagree with the views of the protesters, I strongly believe that such vigorous protest is a healthy symptom of liberty. I only have one gripe; while in London on business I noticed hostility toward police officers who were being remarkably restrained. Please be nice to these kind officers who are only doing their job. Yell at Parliament but give the officers a break.
Cuthbert, USA

Two million Britons marched against the war in February this year. That means that fifty six million from this country didn't. Anti war support is not high in this country and I for one don't appreciate the vocal minority telling me what the silent majority think.
Simon, England

An ancient city is in flames, with who knows how many civilians dead and injured. If we don't protest this is just going to keep happening. Democracy - what democracy?
Eric Bogart, Belgium

most of the protesters are simply protesting for the sake of having some rebellious fun

Jane McDougall, UK
After viewing the broad cross section of protesters taking part in the anti-war protests, it is apparent that most of the protesters are simply protesting for the sake of having some rebellious fun at the public's expense. The same sort of people always pop-up at times of controversial events and should be seen for who they really are. Jane McDougall, UK
Jane McDougall, UK

What the protesters seem to forget is they have the right to protest at all. In some parts of the world their actions would earn them a bullet through the back of the head or a knock on the door at 2 am. Freedom is not a right - it has to be fought for it and some die in that fight. There will always be someone who wants to take your freedom off you. We would do well to remember the sacrifice of those who gave us the freedom we exercise today.
Cliff, United Kingdom

I went to the protest in Edinburgh yesterday and I will be protesting again tomorrow. Just because the war is happening does not mean those who strongly disagree with it and who find it a sickening travesty should suddenly stop showing what they think.
Allie, Scotland

I haven't been protesting so far, but I shall be tomorrow

Lynn, UK
We should be protesting. What we are seeing in Iraq tonight is not the targetted bombing of government buildings we were promised, it is beginning to look as if Bush is determined to raze this ancient city to the ground and destroy its people. I haven't been protesting so far, but I shall be tomorrow. If Bush and Blair survive with their jobs after this, it will be travesty of any decent values we lay claim to in our alleged liberal democracies.
Lynn, UK

I am organising a protest and letter writing campaign. We need to have a mass outcry from the public. They can't ignore a flood of pleas to bring our people home.
Maria Harrell, USA

We, the young people, are trying peacefully to get our voice heard and will continue to do so. We are trying to put up a banner for peace in every single window of our school. Today we painted a large dove in art class and hung it outside.
Sophie, Austria

How can we bring democracy to Iraq when we don't even have a democracy in this country?

Elizabeth Bond, Bristol, England
If we did truly live in a democratic society, the absolute backlash against war would mean that Tony Blair should have backed out long ago. Instead, he has been persistently telling the people who voted for him and his party (I did not, I'm not old enough, but I wouldn't anyway) why we are, no matter what anybody says, going to war. However, he has done as he pleased and has been behaving, in my opinion as though he can do what he pleases. How can we bring democracy to Iraq when we don't even have a democracy in this country?
Elizabeth Bond, Bristol, England

Have you seen how protesters in San Francisco strip naked? I am sure that show has mightily strengthened an anti-war coalition.
Mirek, USA

I find it odd even that there have not been huge protests in Iraq against this war. Perhaps they want Saddam to go and are willing to fight and die for their freedom. Please keep protests non-violent.
Alvin, USA

They did not have a valid case to start with. They were perfectly happy to ignore the suffering of the Iraqi people a year ago, the only thing that has changed is that it is on the news now.
Michael Pearce, UK

My school, Claremont High, in Brent, was going to have a walk-out but the teachers locked the gates

Isra Shah, London, UK
My school, Claremont High, in Brent, was going to have a walk-out but the teachers locked the gates. We contacted the media, including BBC London, but the organisers, including myself, had been suspended by the time they arrived. It is immoral for our voices not to be heard. We should have freedom of speech.
Isra Shah, London, UK

Those of us who protested bitterly against this war are slightly discouraged but not deterred. I wonder if those people who chant "Democracy for Iraq" realise that part of democracy is the right to offer a voice of dissent.
Olivia, Canada

I am distressed that protestors are targeting minors. Protests are volatile and they take place in large cities which are dangerous areas for unaccompanied children.
Joy, USA

I think that although the number of people participating in organised war protests has increased since February '03, the chances of either the Bush or Blair administrations taking them seriously are very low. Unless turnouts for these demonstrations increase several fold, I think it's time we came up with a more effective means of making an impression on Blair and Bush - our current strategy is clearly quite inadequate.
Nehanda, Indian in US

I believe protestors are within their rights but have an obligation to act responsibly. Yesterday in San Francisco, they became violent towards police and over 1,000 were arrested. In New York, they blocked busy streets at rush hour while chanting "No war for oil". The actions in San Fran are inexcusable for obvious reasons. But at a time when we need our police to be on high alert all over the US, I found even the New York protest objectionable.
Jim, USA

I've been swayed by Blair over the last week or so

Jula, UK
I went on the first big anti-war march in London but will not be protesting again. I remain very concerned about going to war outside of a clear UN mandate but I've been swayed by Blair over the last week or so. I believe he has demonstrated real leadership and whilst I cannot say I am pro-war I am no longer anti.
Jula, UK

Absolutely, the anti-war protestors serve a very useful purpose. While I believe this military action is justified and will lead to the liberation of millions of our fellow human beings - people who have had to live in constant fear, some for all their lives - I certainly do not have all the answers and I may very well be wrong. Not that the protestors have much chance of changing my mind, but they might change someone else's, and if nothing else, they have a right and a personal need to be heard.
Chris, US

If protests serve no other purpose other than to bring communities together, to show the world that we're not all for this, than they still serve a valid and meaningful purpose in my mind.
Cameron, USA

It is probably just as important to protest now

Bob Harvey, Lincs, UK
Of course protests still serve a purpose. If people want to express themselves, they must. No-one asked if the anti-Vietnam protests served any purpose while the war was in progress. It is probably just as important to protest now as before the fighting started, for now there is a sort of 'gung ho' feeling produced by apparent success, and also a real feeling of standing behind the troops. I am proud of our servicemen and women, but I still do not think they should have been sent to do this nasty job.
Bob Harvey, Lincs, UK

It strikes me as odd how many student protesters there are. Considering we don't allow our youth to vote until they are 18, why should we take their political views any more seriously than we do their domestic opinions ?
Shauna, UK, Norwich

I wonder if these people who are going on these 'peace' marches tomorrow know how it feels when you have a relative fighting in Iraq? When they shout and scream against a war that your husband, son, brother, daddy is fighting maybe giving their very lives for? It is so hurtful. Please can they think again, whether they agree with war or not now is the time to show support for all our troops out there, not make a political stand.
Esther, UK

After watching the "peace" protestors in San Francisco injure two policemen, block all traffic, vandalise several businesses beat up a motorist and destroy his car, all I can say is that the only purpose these protestors serve is to fill me with disgust.
Inna Tysoe, USA


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Great post WIZ!

SonicFire - 3-22-2003 at 07:34 PM

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gabewave - 3-23-2003 at 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by SonicFire
Sweet Liberation is days away!


I wouldn't count your chickens before they are hatched. We are still 100 miles from Bahgdad, and from what Rumsfeld said today on "Meet The Press" it is going to be quite similar to what happened in Somalia. I hope your blood thirst will be quenched after this. A lot of people are going to die.

Also, I thought the goal of this mission was regime change, not colonization of the Iraqi land? Starbucks in Bahgdad? What the fuck man, that's just fucking ridiculous.

"This isn't a war about oil..." yeah right, not if Sonicfire got his way, he be stamping the American flag on every mother fucking muslims head.

This shit sucks.

Lights Out Baghdad!!

SonicFire - 4-3-2003 at 10:43 AM

[UFO version playing in backround]

Time to take the airport,
Saddam you're runnin out of time!

When will Baghdad fall?!?

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