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Ian and Billy are Dicks!

taokow - 4-26-2003 at 09:12 AM

...That's what I heard last night from an ex Monster Magnet Roadie. He seemed nice enough until he said "Ian and Billy are dicks, but the rest of the band was cool." :mad: I said in their defense, "Maybe they're just being rock stars?" He said, "Yea , they definitely have the "rockstar mentality"." He's the first person I've ever met that had a more than passing acquaintance with The Cult. He didn't mention specifically what made them dicks but I think there were some problems with Monster Magnet on the BG&E Tour if I remember right and they dropped out because of whashisname's "leg injury". Maybe it was just some work-related bias?

Met him at our local rock scene "Frankie's", great club with alternative ambience...the place smells like a sewer and everything is falling apart, but some of the biggest names have passed through their hallowed halls when they were nobodies. Unfortunately, the bands I saw last night will probably remain nobodies:

Stilex
The Shuttlecocks
The Thunderbirds

...even the best band sucked really, really bad.

Although, I did get to hear a really cool acapella jam out of "The Reading Rainbow" theme song. Bizarro plus one! Loved it!

CultinMD - 4-28-2003 at 11:13 AM

I definitely heard the term "dick" applied to Duffy on the road, but never Astbury. Wonder what happened...

Hmmm. An acapella version of the "Reading Rainbow" Song? That's pretty cool. Reminds me of hearing Faith No More sing the Nestle Chocolate song back in '90. You gotta love a band that's really bored with their own material!

moya - 4-28-2003 at 04:43 PM

oh Taokow you should've done your spy job a bit better!!!!
never leave without knowing AAALL the story!!!!

:mad:;)

taokow - 4-29-2003 at 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by moya
oh Taokow you should've done your spy job a bit better!!!!
never leave without knowing AAALL the story!!!!

:mad:;)


It was a hoppin' bar and I was looking for a sweet little crumpet named Erin. You're right I should have gotten the lowdown on the godown; full story. But it's spring after all... and more "immediate needs" took precedence. I didn't want to bother the guy too much anyways, he was with some friends.

I guess there's only one thing that I like more than The Cult ...

Here Kitty, Kitty!

sars case #16 - 4-29-2003 at 10:22 AM

I've met both on numerous times....and sometimes they are dicks...and sometimes they are totally cool....but then again aren't we all?
SC16

sexualpanther3 - 4-29-2003 at 06:13 PM

yeah true - sometimes the rock star shit goes to ur head. and for some, it dont leave. shame............

believer - 5-2-2003 at 01:04 AM

They are dicks but it's the music that counts...

JOY - 5-5-2003 at 12:02 AM

Quote:
I guess there's only one thing that I like more than The Cult ...

Here Kitty, Kitty!


You sound like a dick. Grow up silly silly little boy.

taokow - 5-5-2003 at 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JOY
Quote:
I guess there's only one thing that I like more than The Cult ...

Here Kitty, Kitty!


You sound like a dick. Grow up silly silly little boy.


How does that make me a dick? It's a simple fact! I guess most guys on this board are guilty of being dicks then! If faced with sex with your dream girl/guy, or a conversation about The Cult, which are you going to choose? If you would rather talk about The Cult, then I suggest you might have strange priorities.
Or was it the suggestion that I like Pussy, that wounded you! It's true, I like... no wait, I LOVE the most holy of holies, the wondrous gate of femininity, the portal of coital bliss... the greatest mystery of mankind....From Pussy I came, only to seek out Pussy...there is no greater driving force for man! The proof that it's even a bigger force than money, is the fact that men will pay money for it! I glory in the individuality and variety of Pussy: I like hairy Pussy, I like wet pussy, I like small pussy, I like big Pussy, I like tight pussy...hell, I even like loose pussy!, I like stinky pussy, I like shaved pussy, I like sloppy pussy, I like frumpy pussy, I like pregnant pussy, I like pimply pussy, I like ugly pussy, I like pretty pussy, I like bloody pussy, I like other people's pussy, I like juicy pussy, I like vegan Pussy, I like Meaty Pussy, I like multicultural Pussy, I like pink pussy, brown pussy or any color in between ...

Evidently, You only like politically correct Pussy!

I say, take JOY in Pussy!

Ianswildflower - 5-5-2003 at 10:58 AM

Got your point Taokow.


edcult - 5-5-2003 at 11:14 AM

Ok, now let me get this straight Taokow.......;)


The guys got a point.

BlackHeaven - 5-5-2003 at 12:51 PM

Taokow.........Amen Bro !:cool:

Lizard Johnny - 5-5-2003 at 01:45 PM

you got it taokow!
es lebe die hemmungslosigkeit!

JOY - 5-5-2003 at 02:59 PM

Charming. I would not expect anything less from a mysogynist.

mysogyny?

Real Astbury Girrrl - 5-5-2003 at 10:19 PM

well that would be if the women he went with went uncooperatively.
since they WANT to go--u cant blame the guy!!

i say women should be a little more discriminating about who the hell they give it up to. since that aint gonna happen, players will play the field.
what a sad state of affairs!

taokow - 5-8-2003 at 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JOY
Charming. I would not expect anything less from a mysogynist.



Although, I have been known to give a great massage- I am by no means a professional! Besides, isn't that term a bit old fashioned and sexist? I understand they prefer "Massage Therapist".

...but seriously, Joy

Sadly, the written word leaves much to interpretation. It also lacks inflection, tone, and body language... I think you misunderstand me and my intentions.
I am guilty of using a particular "voice" in my post that led you to indict me as a dick...

"It was a hoppin' bar and I was looking for a sweet little crumpet named Erin. You're right I should have gotten the lowdown on the godown; full story...
I guess there's only one thing that I like more than The Cult... Here Kitty, Kitty!"

But, that's what I call my "Swingers" voice... I mean c'mon I was just trying to convey a mood and style in a literary voice to make my post have some texture and interest... Sort of like a swingin' 40's or 50's thing!- "The joint was a hoppin' and the chicks were a boppin!'', just a Lingo Slingo, Baby! You gotta lighten up! Yea, there's some bravura and machismo at work ...I guess I was just thinkin', what would Dean Martin say?
I knew you misread me and I should have cleared it up, but you see- you labeled me, and I figured I'd give you a dick! I chose an appropriate voice and figured I'd rely on irony, humor, and exxageration as literary devices, hence the litany on Pussy! Predictably, you labeled me again! Now, I'm a misogynist and a Dick!!
In all honesty I might be a little bit of a dick, but I don't hate woman! Nor do I objectify women or equate them with Pussy (other than the simple biological fact that every woman I know has one, and I find great attraction and mystical communion inside of them!). What I was saying about pussy was what I really mean about women! I like women, all shapes, all types, all sizes, all personalities!... every part of them, body and soul! You should consider pussy in this case a term of affection and veneration! Praise to the wondrous YONI!
I think if you knew me, you would know that I have the utmost respect for women and perhaps even over romanticize when it comes to my relationships with them. I am certainly not macho and even a little on the sensitive side. I have never looked at sexual encounters with women as conquests, and if such were the case I definitely don't make the cut as a conqueror... I've only been with six women in my entire 32 years! And I assure you, I loved every one of them!

Did I mention that I like feminist pussy, too? ....:P
My current romantic interest (and great friend) is a dyed in the wool feminist! Not just in a casual sense, either... She has taught women's studies courses at her University where she is currently finishing her doctoral dissertation on Rachel Carter (a pioneer feminist in the field of science and perhaps the first eco-feminist.). So, you see, perhaps you misjudge me!

P.S.- Real Astbury Girl! Thanks for the defense, and I agree- a lot of women seem to make bad choices in men who are after only one thing! It's a crazy scene out there and indiscriminate sex seems to be high on the agenda for a lot of people, both men and women in my experience!

Joy to the world!

dyed in the WOOL!!

the wizard - 5-9-2003 at 04:13 AM

hahahahhaha!! taokow you slay me man!:lol:

Dix.

MadMadMike - 5-9-2003 at 10:25 AM

Billy is a no-bullshit Brit. People confuse that with 'dick'. (I get that too, believe it or not.) Bill is genuine good people.

During the 80's tour with Metallica, James Hetfield nicknamed Ian "Space". Ian is no dick (to his adoring public anyways) and is always an engaging conversation.

Roadies are always intimidated by stars, much like the tension between wait staff and chefs.

And,.,.,.,.,..,,.,.,.,

Misogyny is as much a right for a man as ballcrushing is for a woman. Deal wit it.

Daphne - 5-9-2003 at 01:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MadMadMike
Billy is a no-bullshit Brit. People confuse that with 'dick'. (I get that too, believe it or not.) Bill is genuine good people.

During the 80's tour with Metallica, James Hetfield nicknamed Ian "Space". Ian is no dick (to his adoring public anyways) and is always an engaging conversation.

Roadies are always intimidated by stars, much like the tension between wait staff and chefs.

And,.,.,.,.,..,,.,.,.,

Misogyny is as much a right for a man as ballcrushing is for a woman. Deal wit it.


Why did he nickname Ian "Space"? I never heard that before.


taokow - 5-9-2003 at 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Daphne
Quote:
Originally posted by MadMadMike
Billy is a no-bullshit Brit. People confuse that with 'dick'. (I get that too, believe it or not.) Bill is genuine good people.

During the 80's tour with Metallica, James Hetfield nicknamed Ian "Space". Ian is no dick (to his adoring public anyways) and is always an engaging conversation.

Roadies are always intimidated by stars, much like the tension between wait staff and chefs.

And,.,.,.,.,..,,.,.,.,

Misogyny is as much a right for a man as ballcrushing is for a woman. Deal wit it.


Why did he nickname Ian "Space"? I never heard that before.



I'll bet that if you had a chance to spend any amount of time with Ian Astbury, you would be apt to come up with your own mystical nickname for him! I assume James meant one of two things...either he meant it in a slightly derogatory way, as in, he was "spacey", or more likely he thought he was "wayyy out there, man!".
Or maybe he was eluding to both!

MadMadMike - 5-10-2003 at 09:51 AM

I got the "Space' thing from an article in Circus magazine (remember that one?!?) where Hetfield thought that Ian was a bit weird and spacey. The nickname stuck.

In 1989, The Cult opened for Metallica for a few dates and were not well received by the Metalheads, often getting little or no response to their music. There were shows where they were booed lustily. It must have been frustrating,.,.

Ian, in an interview with RIP magazine, talked about a show where some jackass raised a sign that said "Cult Suck".,.,.,.
Ian jumped offstage and plowed 20 rows into the crowd, grabbed the sign, put it in his mouth and pushed his way back to the stage and then launched into a "fuck this" rant until he got hoarse. The band played their set and left.

They pretty much got the same reaction throughout the short tour, and reviews were terrible about their live delivery, as Ian was heavilly liquored and numb for the majority of the gigs, once vomiting off the side of the stage.

Immediately after the Metallidisaster, The Cult played 'Firewoman' at the MTV Music Video Awards show in LA, and 6 weeks later started a short European tour, once again as openers, (this time for Aerosmith; the band was well-received), and finally their own headlining tour in Canada & the US.


Daphne - 5-10-2003 at 10:30 AM

Yeah, I remember that magazine...That was a long time ago...

Thanks for all the great info...

Your tone.....

Real Astbury Girrrl - 5-10-2003 at 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by taokow
Quote:
Originally posted by JOY
Charming. I would not expect anything less from a mysogynist.



Although, I have been known to give a great massage- I am by no means a professional! Besides, isn't that term a bit old fashioned and sexist? I understand they prefer "Massage Therapist".

...but seriously, Joy

Sadly, the written word leaves much to interpretation. It also lacks inflection, tone, and body language... I think you misunderstand me and my intentions.
I am guilty of using a particular "voice" in my post that led you to indict me as a dick...

"It was a hoppin' bar and I was looking for a sweet little crumpet named Erin. You're right I should have gotten the lowdown on the godown; full story...
I guess there's only one thing that I like more than The Cult... Here Kitty, Kitty!"

But, that's what I call my "Swingers" voice... I mean c'mon I was just trying to convey a mood and style in a literary voice to make my post have some texture and interest... Sort of like a swingin' 40's or 50's thing!- "The joint was a hoppin' and the chicks were a boppin!'', just a Lingo Slingo, Baby! You gotta lighten up! Yea, there's some bravura and machismo at work ...I guess I was just thinkin', what would Dean Martin say?
I knew you misread me and I should have cleared it up, but you see- you labeled me, and I figured I'd give you a dick! I chose an appropriate voice and figured I'd rely on irony, humor, and exxageration as literary devices, hence the litany on Pussy! Predictably, you labeled me again! Now, I'm a misogynist and a Dick!!
In all honesty I might be a little bit of a dick, but I don't hate woman! Nor do I objectify women or equate them with Pussy (other than the simple biological fact that every woman I know has one, and I find great attraction and mystical communion inside of them!). What I was saying about pussy was what I really mean about women! I like women, all shapes, all types, all sizes, all personalities!... every part of them, body and soul! You should consider pussy in this case a term of affection and veneration! Praise to the wondrous YONI!
I think if you knew me, you would know that I have the utmost respect for women and perhaps even over romanticize when it comes to my relationships with them. I am certainly not macho and even a little on the sensitive side. I have never looked at sexual encounters with women as conquests, and if such were the case I definitely don't make the cut as a conqueror... I've only been with six women in my entire 32 years! And I assure you, I loved every one of them!

Did I mention that I like feminist pussy, too? ....:P
My current romantic interest (and great friend) is a dyed in the wool feminist! Not just in a casual sense, either... She has taught women's studies courses at her University where she is currently finishing her doctoral dissertation on Rachel Carter (a pioneer feminist in the field of science and perhaps the first eco-feminist.). So, you see, perhaps you misjudge me!

P.S.- Real Astbury Girl! Thanks for the defense, and I agree- a lot of women seem to make bad choices in men who are after only one thing! It's a crazy scene out there and indiscriminate sex seems to be high on the agenda for a lot of people, both men and women in my experience!

Joy to the world!


taokow....no prob man! ;)
i kind of sensed you trying to be playful there and tryin to push the envelope a bit to spice things up.
sometimes we women bitch about guys but it is our own blind behaviour that gets them to behave the way they do.
i am guilty of this big time-i finally realized this and did something about it.

JOY - 5-10-2003 at 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Real Astbury Girrrl

sometimes we women bitch about guys but it is our own blind behaviour that gets them to behave the way they do. i am guilty of this big time-i finally realized this and did something about it.


Shame. Yet another excuse to blame women.

JOY - 5-10-2003 at 11:18 PM

"Deal wit it?"

How many fathers (with daughters) post on this message board?

JOY - 5-10-2003 at 11:26 PM

Inflection, tone and body language may also be employed to mask how you truly feel.

* The Witch * - 5-11-2003 at 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by taokow


I guess there's only one thing that I like more than The Cult ...

Here Kitty, Kitty!


"Meow"
purrrrrrrr
rubs against your leg
;)

taokow - 5-11-2003 at 02:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JOY
Inflection, tone and body language may also be employed to mask how you truly feel.



Ok, Joy try this little experiment in body language with me. Everybody join in, now don't be shy. This will communicate how I felt and now feel.

First hold your hand in front of you....
Ok, everybody got their hand up?
Come on! hold your hand up for real, it's very important that you follow along !

Now, let your hand fall limp at the wrist and shake it about a little..
How does that feel?
A little gay maybe?
...that's called emasculation!
(C'mon Joy, you know how to do that!)

Now, hold up only your first (index) and second (middle) fingers.
...That's Peace
That's a good feeling isn't it?
(I felt that way about you Joy, and tried to employ it.)

Ok, this next move's a little tricky...It's Called Peace Bird!

Drop your index finger and leave your middle finger extended.
...That's fuck off!
Kinda takes the JOY right out of Peace, doesn't it?

Nothing masked in that Hand Jive is there, Joy?


























































































...MASTER, MASTER, MASTER OF PUPPETS!!

I can't believe you all sat there in front of your computer with your hands up! You are all Puppets!!

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