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Ian is a SUPPORTER of this WAR.

SonicFire - 3-29-2003 at 06:25 PM

Comments at the Houston show and other remarks show Ian is not a commie peace partier.

Culties, don't impose your misguided views of WAR AND PEACE in Ian!

:flame:

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umm, i think it said.....

RedVelvet - 3-29-2003 at 07:18 PM

that ian expressed his support for the troops, which isn't exactly the same as supporting the war

and since none of us seems to have been there, at this time we dont know exactly what he said

you might want to think twice before putting words into his mouth. then again, you might not.

linda

moya - 3-29-2003 at 07:53 PM

you're starting to remind me of Beavis and Butthead with that "fire! fire! fire! fire!" thing.....

iana - 3-29-2003 at 07:54 PM

God,it just keeps getting worse around here,Sonic we all know your feelings,can you not give it a rest for awhile please?,do we have to be at war "here" as well? Is that what you want? you want everybody to fight and and disagree and get ugly with each other, can't this place be our "sanctuary" from all the ugliness going out in the world,I will not speak for Ian like yourself but he might be more apt to agree with me on this,then you,you are enjoying this war and that is scary to me.

sdc - 3-29-2003 at 08:34 PM

I was there and Ian was obviously in support of the WAR. He actually was trying to rally people and fire them up . Robbie was also a little vocal regarding this issue. I heard Ray say nothing about the battle other than to tell Robbie and Ian to cut it out.

this board....

Real Astbury Girrrl - 3-29-2003 at 10:12 PM

is to talk about music. i agree with IANA, we don't have to talk about politics here.
If you want to talk war....just find a group that wants to do that. its obvious here people are wanting to chill out.
that doesn't mean we dont have an opinion, or that we are dumb. but there is a time and a place for everything. this is definitely not the place.

8)8)8)

moya - 3-30-2003 at 10:40 AM

although i think it's very unlikely that Ian aprooves this war i cannot speak for him as for Ray i think it's pretty obvious his opinion about it after listening to the HBO show... well at least for me...

oh yes and about the war topic i as Mad Mike think this has everything to do with the Cult, with music, with life. I just don't agree with how some people discuss it. It's not the subject of discussion that is the problem it's the way it's being discussed...

freedom of speech, don't like it don't read it. simple as that.

again, my opinion.

[Edited on 3-30-2003 by moya]

Inka - 3-30-2003 at 10:43 AM

I was soooo sad and surprised when I read that Ian supported the war! It's hard to believe it!!!

Libertine - 3-30-2003 at 12:05 PM

Yes
I was so sad too. Incredibly sad. A little part of me hopes it's not true, but I tell you hope is in short supply these days.

But that's the price you pay when you are labeled a hippie commie peacenik. I refuse to give my ground on this. If Ian rally's for blood, than so be it. I...will not.

"dis the lies that they feed"

Peace and Out

Ciao Baby

Cultpjfan - 3-30-2003 at 12:22 PM

at the end of the day it's Ian's opinion and not yours.
I don't agree with the war,but then again I don't agree with Saddam either.
What Ian and the rest of you think about this is YOUR opinion,I'd rather not have someone try to ram it down my throat everywhere I go,especially on a site that is about music.

Inka - 3-30-2003 at 01:42 PM

I respect Ian's opinion. I was just surprised

iana - 3-30-2003 at 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by moya
although i think it's very unlikely that Ian aprooves this war i cannot speak for him as for Ray i think it's pretty obvious his opinion about it after listening to the HBO show... well at least for me...

oh yes and about the war topic i as Mad Mike think this has everything to do with the Cult, with music, with life. I just don't agree with how some people discuss it. It's not the subject of discussion that is the problem it's the way it's being discussed...

freedom of speech, don't like it don't read it. simple as that.

again, my opinion.

[Edited on 3-30-2003 by moya]

That's exactly what I said in my last post on the "no respect" thread,I did not like the way I was talking to people, I am not by nature a rude,nasty person and I became that with Romi and apologized,I do agree,"freedom of speech" is necessary,I do respect others opinions and I believe we can discuss certain topics without obsenities being thrown back and forth and especially not purposely trying to rile people up.

*make that second to last post*

[Edited on 3-30-2003 by iana]

dreamtime - 3-30-2003 at 03:30 PM

I agree with Moya and Iana...:angel:

By the way I've read some words on The Doors board today and seems they gave their opinion on war last night again... See this report:

"They (The Doors) talked about native american beliefs before they did the song Ghost song so that was cool. they also said God bless Texas and that to pray for the troops to come home and give support to the troops which was ok(I support the troops but not the war) Although he didnt say anything about Bush which is good because if he had made a pro Bush statement my evening would have been ruined.He also said pray for peace and pray for the troops to come home quick and that they are all safe and none of them get hurt which was good"

[Edited on 3-31-2003 by dreamtime]

iana - 3-30-2003 at 04:12 PM

I am totally against this war,against innocent people dying,my heart goes out to the people who have their country invaded but our guys are there and as an American I will support them and hope that this atrocity ends quickly.Bush was not my choice for President.I get really scared being the "media ho"

that I am,watching the whole world protest against my country and then to have it here as well,(here meaning America,not the board) I just wish my fellow Americans would support our troops there wether they support the war or not.As far as this board,respect for each other is all we need when discussing hot topics.

[Edited on 3-31-2003 by iana]

OK.

SonicFire - 3-30-2003 at 06:21 PM

Iana. I agree with you. I hereby, will not post any more rants on this particular page.

Cult music is too important. (I am serious)
I posted this here simply because some of my buds heard his comments and I thought it was important enough to post it the way I did.

I WILL keep it on OFF THE CULT!

Thanks for your comments everyone.

This ones for Moya, Fire, Fire Fire!
My friends tell me I look like a cross between Beavis, Butthead and Ricky Martin!

iana - 3-30-2003 at 07:19 PM

Hey Sonic,do you really look like that?:o
It doesn't matter to me what side you post on or what you post about,I just think keeping it civil and respectful is most important.

Yes, civil and respectful!

SonicFire - 3-30-2003 at 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iana
Hey Sonic,do you really look like that?:o
It doesn't matter to me what side you post on or what you post about,I just think keeping it civil and respectful is most important.

I agree. Though, I am guilty at times of getting hard core. I also think this section [The Cult] should be devoted to the music and people [band] of the Cult.

I reacted to Mad Mike posting on this side with, clearly, stuff that should be Off The Cult.

Interested in my looks are you, well, yes, I move and look like Ricky, sing like Beavis and have hair like Butthead. Not pretty. 8)

romi - 3-31-2003 at 04:40 AM

No one is perfect. If Ian is supporting this war, then the Cult's lyrics and spirit is bullshit.
I can't believe that.

Sonic you are a nice guy but sometimes you seems that have shit instead of brains.
:mad:

starrr - 3-31-2003 at 10:42 AM

Ian,
I don`t believe in what your saying!

War- Our hearts are blind!

Love, peace and electric

JayRoberto - 3-31-2003 at 11:18 AM

As to Ian's oppinion :

EVERYBODY is entilted to have one.

My respect and admiration of him is connected with his music and lyrics, in the other fields I'll agree with some of his oppinions (the ones that connect with my thoughts), and will disagree with the ones I don't feel connected with.

It would be interesting to know exactly WHAT he said ...

JRoberto

Hey Jay,

SonicFire - 3-31-2003 at 07:31 PM

I really like Ian for his music also. But, many at the shows KNOW what he is saying.

For those of you who want "a peace" at any cost and impose your views on the people who make the music you like, take note.

There are those who say that without certain 'forces' in the world, many countries and people in the world would not have any 'peace' or 'freedom'.

I think Cult's BG&E caught, for a moment, the pulse of a world destined for WAR. The total eclipse of 1999 was called the 'King of Terror', by Nostradamus.
Vibrations of the past and future can be felt today.

:flame:

JayRoberto - 4-1-2003 at 06:14 AM

Hey Sonic,

I'm miles away from believeing that this world is destinated to war. Men make war, peace and balance are the natural path of things.

"Peace at any cost" is what US and Britain are doing now, with this war. What else should we call it ?

If Ian's oppinion is in support of this war, so be it, it is his right, but I'll never agree with it, neither I'll let my admiration for his work overcome my judgement of things.

JRoberto

munki - 4-1-2003 at 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JayRoberto
If Ian's oppinion is in support of this war, so be it, it is his right, but I'll never agree with it, neither I'll let my admiration for his work overcome my judgement of things.

JRoberto

exactly!

Sistermoon - 4-1-2003 at 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JayRobertoIf Ian's oppinion is in support of this war, so be it, it is his right, but I'll never agree with it, neither I'll let my admiration for his work overcome my judgement of things. JRoberto

Enough said.

sexualpanther3 - 4-1-2003 at 08:44 PM

THANK YOU!!!!

does anyone have any oil to grease up these gears, cuz i think i feel a little friction building up here.

IAN IS A SUPPORTER OF THIS WAR. = BULLSHIT!!

taokow - 4-1-2003 at 10:59 PM

I see no evidence that Ian now, or ever has supported war. That's a patently false statement. I think it might be more accurate to say that he supports soldiers and Iraqi civillians not dying needlessly. Could you please post the link to the thread on the Doors board where Ian states that he is in support of the war in Iraq?

Already dropped off

SonicFire - 4-2-2003 at 04:02 PM

hey 'T', you're a little late, it already dropped off.

also, constant denial is no way to go through life.:flame:

taokow - 4-2-2003 at 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SonicFire
hey 'T', you're a little late, it already dropped off.

also, constant denial is no way to go through life.:flame:

Curse you Sonic Fire! I name you Nemesis! HAH! :lol:

Denial ain't as bad as delusion....you deluded dude.

Don't you just love her more and more?

Funny!

SonicFire - 4-3-2003 at 09:15 AM

I kicked 'delusion' out of bed a long time ago. She's a lousy morning lover!

I'm currently dating 'passion dream'. She Rocks!

Cool Signature graphic "T"!

:flame:

[Edited on 4-3-2003 by SonicFire]

Homer - 4-3-2003 at 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SonicFire
The total eclipse of 1999 was called the 'King of Terror', by Nostradamus.

I'm sorry, this may be off of the subject here but Nostradamus is just absolute gibberish. Total and complete gibberish. What a truckload of crap he was. Two words can describe the prophesy of Nostradamus: ca - ca.

Ca - ca I tell you!!! pure ca - ca!!!

Surprising, but true!

SonicFire - 4-3-2003 at 10:35 AM

That eclipse, (occuring 8-99) obviously prior to 9-11-o1, the center went through England, France, Turkey and parts of Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Pope witnessed it and later commented on the Fatima visions, which related to a comming World War.

Nostradamus scholars translated his writings to have the Eclipse of 1999 (the final of the Millenium) called it the "King of Terror" eclipse.

Maybe ca-ca, maybe really wierd.

:flame:

Homer - 4-3-2003 at 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SonicFire
Nostradamus scholars translated his writings to have the Eclipse of 1999 (the final of the Millenium) called it the "King of Terror" eclipse.

Maybe ca-ca, maybe really wierd.

:flame:

Nostradamus also couldn't count either: the millennium ended in 2000 not 1999! (a math lesson here for him: a millennium has 1,000 years not 999 years, the first millennium lasted from the year 1 until the year 1,000, NOT until 999, so the second millennium lasted from the year 1,001 until 2,000 [not 1999] therefore being 1,000 years) and I still say that Nostradamus was delusional not a prophet - gibberish, blabbering incoherent(ly) babbling, rambling, ranting, raving, maybe even a little bit senile - but not prophetic ...

:o :P 8)

:angel: :moon: :idea: :flip: :puzzled: :flame: ...

taokow - 4-3-2003 at 07:24 PM

For Much of my life I was adversely affected by an HBO special about Nostradamus... It starred Orson Wells as Nostradamus. Very scary show in an early 80's nuclear world. I was nearly convinced 1997 was the end, Something about all the lakes and oceans drying up and beasties devouring humans and sucking their blood. Not a great show for an impressionable early teen ...caused much angst.

the wizard - 4-3-2003 at 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by taokow
For Much of my life I was adversely affected by an HBO special about Nostradamus... It starred Orson Wells as Nostradamus. Very scary show in an early 80's nuclear world. I was nearly convinced 1997 was the end, Something about all the lakes and oceans drying up and beasties devouring humans and sucking their blood. Not a great show for an impressionable early teen ...caused much angst.

i'm with ya on that one, damn freaky deaky it was back then.

then i found drugs and alcohol,, YAY!!!

sweet salvation! or not.

either way i'm still here, your still here and so is most everyone else(cept maybe saddam and his thugs/scumbag henchmen). i'm not a war person but i do believe that some people should die, and the sooner the better, thier hearts are black and stained. common folk have no place in their lives for those that are black(and no i don't mean any rasical bullshit by black) at heart, it does no one any good.

moya - 4-4-2003 at 09:04 AM

"While the Cult's frontman Ian Astbury is indeed a practicing Buddhist"

taken from

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1445115/20010712/story.jhtml

EGMarauder - 4-4-2003 at 03:19 PM

http://brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/windowsmedia-hq.html

Great link Marauder!

SonicFire - 4-4-2003 at 07:36 PM

Makes a good point...most of these 'peace' protesters do not have clue whatsoever!

Ian has light years of human experience.

Maybe thats why he isnt following or leading the "'peace' pied piper movement".

Maybe he sees a different TRUTH.

Like, SURVIVAL, its Beyond Good and Evil!!

Dig it:flame:

Planet Girl - 4-4-2003 at 08:30 PM

Oil. lube???

war??
Hey my main man, Julius Ceasar...was a warrior..befoe all of U were born.

History quiZ

when was he born?

when did he die?

Who is Vercingtorix?

GAUL... is that french,... or where JC conquered barbarians?

Ok last..

Rome city or EMPIRE..

eat me you shits.........................
History,... is your lesson, and I will always win

Ask BH if I am wrong.
PG
X
:angel:

munki - 4-7-2003 at 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Planet Girl
when was he born?
102/100 BCE

when did he die?
March 15, 44 BCE

Who is Vercingtorix?
Vercingetorix was a Gallic leader that led a rebellion against Julius Caesar in 54 B. C. For several years, the Celtic tribesmen that constituted his army kept Caesar at bay, defeating the famous Roman general in battle several times.

GAUL... is that french,... or where JC conquered barbarians?
Gaul , Lat. Gallia, ancient designation for the land S and W of the Rhine, W of the Alps, and N of the Pyrenees. The name was extended by the Romans to include Italy from Lucca and Rimini northwards, excluding Liguria. This extension of the name is derived from its settlers of the 4th and 3d cent. B.C.—invading Celts, who were called Gauls by the Romans. Their cousins in Gaul proper (modern France) probably had been there since 600 B.C., for the Greeks of Massilia (Marseilles) knew them. The Gaul in Italy was called Cisalpine Gaul [Cisalpine, from Lat.=on this side the Alps], as opposed to Transalpine Gaul; Cisalpine Gaul was divided into Cispadane Gaul [on this side the Po] and Transpadane Gaul.
Ok last..

Rome city or EMPIRE..

eat me you shits.........................
History,... is your lesson, and I will always win

Ask BH if I am wrong.
PG
X
:angel:

Hey Munki,

SonicFire - 4-8-2003 at 10:33 AM

Ian supports the WAR, what say you?

:lol:

munki - 4-9-2003 at 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SonicFire
Ian supports the WAR, what say you?

:lol:

Ian can support whatever he wants. I like The Cult for there music and as a band, not there political stance on the world situation. Or did you want my opinion of the war?

[Edited on 4-9-2003 by munki]

THE CULT ROCKS

SonicFire - 4-9-2003 at 05:47 AM

Quote:

Nope, THE CULT ROCKS!!! OUR WARRIORS ROCK!!!:flip:

Bump

SonicFire - 4-9-2003 at 10:00 AM

:P